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With my family going home to LOS in Feb, It will be the first time My kids have visited the country.

I have two questions:

1) How do I get travel insurance for Family as they are THAI Citizens not British?

2) Is it worth getting some kind of Medical INsurance in Thailand for the family?
 
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I assume you mean stepkids as you say they are Thai. You will find most insurance say you have to be normally resident in the UK. As long as they are on a settlement visa or ILR then you are ok.

When you say medical insurance I assume you are not talking about the in-laws, in which case, decent travel insurance should suffice.

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As they are Thai citizens there is limited value in travel insurance.

Medical cover can be claimed under the 30 Baht programme.

It really depends on the the cost of cover and the exclusions.

but probably would not bother.


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NO these children are mine. partner is thai and as we are not married my children don't have passports( british). We are infact going back to LOS to get married and apply for a 'SET' visa. So no there are no SET ILR at present just happens that they were born here. But that another story.

Thanks for the input. BIgred & MF
 
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just happens that they were born here

Where were the children born? In the UK or in Thailand? If they were born in the UK then it's possible that they are British provided you are a UK citizen or their mother was settled in the UK at the time of birth.

quote:
BRITISH NATIONALITY ACT 1981 CHAPTER 61
PART I BRITISH CITIZENSHIP

ACQUISITION AFTER COMMENCEMENT

s 1 Acquisition by birth or adoption.

1) A person born in the United Kingdom after commencement, or in a qualifying territory on or after the appointed day, shall be a British citizen if at the time of the birth his father or mother is--

(a) a British citizen; or
(b) settled in the United Kingdom or that territory.


I couldn't see any mention in this section that the father has to be married to the mother at the time of birth.

see: BRITISH NATIONALITY ACT 1981 CHAPTER 61

My view is supported by YourRights.org.uk:

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Anybody born here after 1 January 1983 is automatically British if at the time of the birth:

* One of their parents was a British citizen.
* One of their parents was allowed to stay here permanently.

The legitimacy of the child is no longer relevant. Previously where children were born outside of marriage British nationality could only be passed through the mother. The Nationality Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 now allows nationality to be inherited from the father provided that paternity can be established to the satisfaction of the Home Office.


However, if they were born in Thailand, then the following would apply:

quote:
British fathers cannot transmit their nationality to illegitimate children automatically (see below). If the parents marry after the child's birth, it is possible that the child's birth will be "legitimated" by its parents' marriage. In order for us to establish whether or not legitimation has taken place, we require both parents to sign paternity declarations in person at the Embassy (the fee for which is Baht 5,250) and the father to complete a "domicile questionnaire". Please ask for the declarations of paternity forms and the domicile questionnaire.


see: Notes on British nationality



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Ammendment:

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If they were born in the UK then it's possible that they are British provided you are a UK citizen or their mother was settled in the UK at the time of birth.


should be:

If they were born in the UK then it's possible that they are British provided at least parent is a UK citizen or at least one parent was settled in the UK at the time of birth.



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Thanks for the advise Vinny
No my kid were born in the UK the reasonn they got thai passports first is my partners visa has expired and when We approached Home office/ IMD and passport Agcy all told us No can do. to be honest I don't care at the moment. I getting married this month in LOS So my primary concern is to bring my family back to the UK thruogh the current Regulations. and be happy so being That I'm a very optimistic person british passports can wait.

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YourRights.org.uk was using the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 to justify their statement. I suspect that they are refering to the following:

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9 Legitimacy of child

(1) The following shall be substituted for section 50(9) of the British Nationality Act 1981 (interpretation: child)-

"(9) For the purposes of this Act a child's mother is the woman who gives birth to the child.

(9A) For the purposes of this Act a child's father is-
(a) the husband, at the time of the child's birth, of the woman who gives birth to the child, or
(b) where a person is treated as the father of the child under section 28 of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 (c. 37) (father), that person, or
(c) where neither paragraph (a) nor paragraph (b) applies, any person who satisfies prescribed requirements as to proof of paternity.

(9B) In subsection (9A)(c) "prescribed" means prescribed by regulations of the Secretary of State; and the regulations-
(a) may confer a function (which may be a discretionary function) on the Secretary of State or another person,
(b) may make provision which applies generally or only in specified circumstances,
(c) may make different provision for different circumstances,
(d) must be made by statutory instrument, and
(e) shall be subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament.

(9C) The expressions "parent", "child" and "descended" shall be construed in accordance with subsections (9) and (9A)."


Perhaps someone else can offer a view on what this all means in your case?



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cheers not going to get to worried yet. Firstly get the big day out the way. and get home. looking through the paperwork I had we didn't meet certain subsections. So we've decided to just do it the SET visa route.

I do greatly appriciate the time and effort you've put it



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It's clear that the Home Office is still using the definitions for legitimacy prior to the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002.

BRITISH NATIONALITY ACT 1981 CHAPTER 61
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s 50(9) For the purpose of this Act--

(a) the relationship of mother and child shall be taken to exist between a woman and any child (legitimate or illegitimate) born to her; but

(b) subject to section 47, the relationship of father and child shall be taken to exist only between a man and any legitimate child born to him;

and the expressions "mother", "father", "parent", "child" and "descended" shall be construed accordingly.

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s 47 Legitimated children.

(1) A person born out of wedlock and legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents shall, as from the date of the marriage, be treated for the purposes of this Act as if he had been born legitimate.

(2) A person shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to have been legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents if by the law of the place in which his father was domiciled at the time of the marriage the marriage operated immediately or subsequently to legitimate him, and not otherwise.

Notes:

Act amended by British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1990 (c.34), s. 2(1), British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1990 (c.34), s. 2(1); extended by British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 (c.6), s. 3(1); restricted by British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 (c.6), s. 3(2) and amended by S.I. 1983/1699, art. 2(1)

Power of appointment conferred by s. 53(2) not exercised

S.47 extended by British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 (c.6), s. 4(2)(a)-(f), British Nationality (Hong Kong) Act 1990 (c.34), s. 2(3); amended by S.I. 1986/948, art. 7(7)(c)

Whereas the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 gives new definitions, as explained in the EXPLANATORY NOTES:
quote:
Section 9: Legitimacy of child

50. Section 9 removes from the nationality legislation the present distinctions between legitimate and illegitimate children and inserts a new definition of "father" into section 50 of the BNA 1981.

51. Subsection (1) provides that, for the purposes of the BNA 1981, a child's mother is the woman who gives birth to the child. A child's "father" is (a) the husband at the time of the child's birth of the woman who gives birth to the child, (b) a person who falls to be treated as the child's father by virtue of section 28 of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 1990 or (c) any person who satisfies prescribed requirements as to proof of paternity. The Secretary of State may set out in regulations how, in circumstances where proof is required, paternity must be proven.

52. Subsection (2) amends section 3(6) of the BNA 1981 to allow registration as a British citizen of an illegitimate minor born outside the United Kingdom on the basis of a connection through his father as well as through his mother.

53. Subsection (3) makes similar provision as subsection (2) but in respect of registration as a British overseas territories citizen under section 17 of the BNA 1981.

54. Subsection (4) repeals section 47 of the BNA 1981. This enables an illegitimate child of a British citizen father to be legitimated by the subsequent marriage between his mother and father. In view of the prospective abolition of distinctions between the legitimate and the illegitimate in this context, section 47 will be redundant so far as children born after the appointed commencement date are concerned.

55. Subsection (5) amends paragraph 1(1)(b) of Schedule 2 to the BNA 1981, which provides that an illegitimate child born in the United Kingdom after 1st January 1983 whose parents hold different British nationality statuses under the BNA 1981, can only acquire the status of the mother. By this subsection, the position of illegitimate children is brought into line with that of legitimate children, who can acquire citizenship or status through either parent.

However, as you are going to get married anyway, the old definitions would work for your children too. Once they become British via the old definitions of legitimacy, you shouldn't apply for SET visas for them. They would be entitled to British passports or Right of Abode for their Thai passports. The latter currently costs £20 in the UK but is 6,375.00 Baht in Thailand.

Be aware that your wife may encounter problems with the SET visa application if she stayed in the UK after her visa had expired.



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Going back to the original question, my policy with Insureandgo says

"UK/Eire Residents Definition
You must have been resident in the United Kingdom, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, Isle of Man or Eire for 6 months or more at the time you bought or renewed your policy."

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Cheers vinny

Hadn't looked at the right to abode issue after marriage great advise thanks.

On the wife front yeah we know there might be problems ANd In hope the evidence I've got and all the documenation i've collated will help. Anyway I've also prior to us leaving the uk insured we have a home, money, nursery places etc to make my families life as easy a poss in LOS.
 
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By the way, if your partner has been in the UK for at least 14 continuous years then she could apply for ILR under the Long residence rules, paragraphs 276A - 276D.

Otherwise, before you leave for Thailand, have a look at:

Build Your Own Settlement Visa Supporting Evidence Folder (Permanent),

Right of Abode,


Guidance for British Nationals Wishing to Marry in Thailand
and

Marriage Registration

to see what kind of supporting documents you may need to take with you and provide.

Good luck with everything! Thumbs Up



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if your partner has been in the UK for at least 14 continuous years then she could apply for ILR under the Long residence rules


Vinny, that is right, but it needs to be appreciated that 14-year applications take a very long time to be decided ... usually over a year. Accordingly as the two of them plan to get married and then apply for a spouse visa in Bangkok, that would seem to be the far easier route to take.

I am not sure if she has actually been in the UK for 14 years.


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Originally posted by John:
... I am not sure if she has actually been in the UK for 14 years.
Indeed, and far too little information here to really offer any proper advice. Too much guessing is required!



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Some medical insurance companies for you to check out:

AIAThailand
NZI
BUPA
GoodHealth



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thanks for everyones input I wasn't trying to be criptic
and my original questions I thought were striaght forward. It just my partner doesn't want to discuss our situation online, and I have to respect her wishes in this case.

I've read through the other discussions over the last few weeks since john invited me to join this site. and combined with some further legal advice this last week. I happy that I've covered most of My bases as best I could.

As to how long May been here that is five years and no visa.
 
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Originally posted by theclawinorbit:
... I wasn't trying to be criptic ... It just my partner doesn't want to discuss our situation online, and I have to respect her wishes in this case.
There's no need to explain yourself theclawinorbit, members are entitled to share as much or as little as they are comfortable with - or not!

The very best of luck with the applications Thumbs Up

But do let us know how you get on ... ... if you can!



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Cheers tobias

I promise that I will give a full account of what happens ove rthe next couple of month As so many peoples discussions have helped us and I want to return the favour


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Chris

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Thanks for the links Vinny on insurance look like i've got a deal that will work for us... Applause
 
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Hi

www.worldnomads.com is one where you can start your journey from any country and not your home country ie you buy it in the middle of a journey unlike most others.

I need this type as I never leave for Thailand from the UK.

Its aimed at backpackers but the medical is pretty good which I assume is the main reason you require insurance and the re-patriation gets you back to where you say is your home country.
 
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