Could anybody enlighten me on the half story I heard today about the Kings Son who had an affair with a movie star about 10/12 years and something about her being drugged and put on a plane to UK?

he used to live in england i beleive his exwife still lives
with the children in england.

future king and thaksin are the same type of person.

sean

Please be careful of showing any opinion to this topic,I know here is England but,Thai people dont criticise Thai royal family like the way it is in UK.
Jintana

Teansri,

We all have utmost respect for the King and Queen. My wife on the other hand cringes whenever the Crown Prince appears on television.

Regards
Keith

Keith,

Any chance of sending me the story on PM?

Ron,

You're asking the wrong person I've never heard of this story before.

Keith

Teansri,

I understand your thinking but yes, you are correct - this is England and we have freedom of speech here (mostly). I doubt that any members here would criticise your King or Queen because by all accounts they are good people.

However, as this is England, everyone here has the right to make (legal) comments, whether they are true or not. Please don't defend a system where people live in fear of speaking their mind and the state owns and controls 95% of the media. I know its your country and your ways but things are different here, as you say - its England.

I suspect that when (and if) the prince becomes King, you might find that people here will be very prepared to criticise him if he steps out of line.

From what I have heard from Thai people here in the UK the King is a very decent kind of person but the son is not half the man. I respect the fact that cultural differances dictate that Royalty is treated differently in different countries and I for one do think the British royal family are criticized too much at times but as already mentioned, forums such as these are generated on freedom of opinion (within reason).
To anyone that has heard about the Jack The Ripper royal conspiracy in London years ago, goes to show times haven't changed that much!

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Originally posted by Barnet:

To anyone that has heard about the Jack The Ripper royal conspiracy in London years ago, goes to show times haven't changed that much!

Made a good film too!

Back OT, I've heard the same thing from Thai people, they love the King and Queen but the rest of them they don't really like (although wouldn't dare say it too loudly).
I think the attitude of Thais towards their royal family is similar to the attitude of the older generation in England towards our monarchs, at least in my experience. When I speak to my Dad and older people in England they like the Queen but the rest of them like Edward and Andrew and that racist idiot Phillip can go and take a running jump as far as they are concerned. I personally don't like any of them, but that's more because I don't agree with the principle of a royal family as opposed to being because of their personality

I heard a few more stories regarding the kings son, its goes quite deep if what I have heard is true.

As for the royal family over here, we are living in modern times, how can the public accept such a drain on it resources to fund one familes lifestyle. I mean we have these people on benefits, and people moan .
Bu tmoan about people clearly living a very lavish lifestyle I never hear.

Probably drifting off the subject a little with our Royals. All I heard is that the Thai Prince has a wandering eye when it comes to the ladies but to be honest with his options who wouldn't? Jack the Ripper meets Eddie Murphy in coming to America therefore

I heard some rumours relating to a women banged up in a prison for trafficking drugs to someone Hiv, like i said rumours though.

Whatever the truth, whatever the gossip, the Crown Prince is the future for Thailand. If he comes up short, could be big trouble.

For all of us who love that country and those people, let's pray that, whatever his shortcomings, he can hold things together when Bhumiphon leaves us.

John B

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Please don't defend a system where people live in fear of speaking their mind and the state owns and controls 95% of the media.

Where have you been living? Somalia.

I bet you have no knowledge of Thai language to hold an intellegent converstion yet you think you know a lot about Thailand. Learn Thai and stop listening to your wife.

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Originally posted by Sako:
... and stop listening to your wife.

That would be akin to committing suicide

Sako,

At the risk of hijacking this thread - don't be so bloody cheeky! My wife has not commented on the subject. I hardly think my comment makes any claim to know a lot about Thailand. Do you think being Thai qualifies you as a Thailand expert?

Who do you think owns most of the Thai media? People are scared of speaking out and that is well documented. As a Thai expert you should be aware that your dear Prime Minister has a chap in court at the moment for daring to speak against him? Several newspapers have been closed down or forced to remove certain popular columns - some very recently. People involved in the student uprisings of 1973 are still in hiding. Are you suggesting they don't live in fear?

Your remark about my Thai language skills is quite correct but without purpose. I cannot speak conversational Thai - so what? You may be one of the fortunate few but the vast majority of Thai people receive little education about domestic or international political matters - in fact a considerable number are only taught domestic history. So it is not unusual for a foreigner to know more about certain matters in Thailand than a lot of Thai nationals do. This crops up fairly often on this forum where a member's Thai partner is unaware of changes to laws etc. The majority of Thai nationals that I've spoken to have little knowledge of WW2 and even less about Thailand's position in that conflict for example. The internet and libraries are full of information (in English)about Thailand so please don't think that such knowledge is only the realm of the Thai speakers.

If you think I'm wrong and that Thai people do have freedom of speech, don't live in fear and the media is not 95% state owned then qualify your statement or shut up! I suspect however, as this is not the first swipe you've taken at me that you simply don't like what I write - well tough, this is an open forum and within the rules I can speak my mind. If you like I'll give you specific examples of my claims.

The thing that interests me most about a some 'educated Thais' like yourself is that you simply don't realise that most of the people in your country do not have your favoured access to knowledge. Knowledge = power, remove knowledge and you create fear and retain power. That is why your leaders keep a tight rein on your media. Check the history books of almost every country and you will find that this is true. Unfortunately Thailand has still not achieved true democracy and freedom of speech but its only a matter of time. Until then the powers that be will manipulate and control the people and do so by creating fear.

No fear? Have a look at what happens around election time in Thailand - why do so many people get killed? I suppose you think that Mr Thaksin actually gained the votes he did in the recent elections fair and square? Yes, a totally free country where you can say what you like without fear - not!

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Originally posted by JonnyC:
Back OT, I've heard the same thing from Thai people, they love the King and Queen but the rest of them they don't really like (although wouldn't dare say it too loudly).

I don't think that's true. I would say that the prince is the exception. The eldest princess, Maha Chakri Sirindhorn, seems to receive similar levels of respect to her parents, and, from what little I know of her, she has earned that. Actually (never one to namedrop!) I have met her when she visited a school I was working in and came into my classroom. She was brilliant with the kids, I have to say, and it was funny to see the very natural exchanges with them and compare it to the bizarre displays of protocol elsewhere in the visit. Watching one of the senior figures at the school, herself a lesser member of the royal family, dragging herself along the corridors on her **** was a strangely enjoyable moment.

I think the majority of the population would prefer to see her take over when the King goes, and there have been moves in the past to amend the constitution to allow that to happen. That would seem to suggest that not only are the rumours (and there are many) are not only widespread but also not without some foundation.

BTW Anyone know what happened to the manusaya.com website - secret Thai police catch up with the owners?!?!?

Lots of comments here, but getting away from my Q.

Still not had an answer to my question?

If you/anybody is afraid of free speech on the forum please send PM and tell me the story.

Love a bit of gossip

From The Crown Prince

"Maha Vajiralongkorn is the crown prince of Thailand and will become king when his father, Bhumibol Adulyadej, dies.

Vajiralongkorn ("Maha" is a title that means "great") was born in 1953 in Bangkok, Thailand, second child of the king and queen; he is the only son of the royal couple, and has one older and two younger sisters. Unlike his father, who came to throne unexpectedly, this prince was raised to become king one day.

His initial schooling took place in the palace, and he was apparently taken with planes from an early age. He graduated from the Royal Australian Military College in Duntroon, trained with the Special Air Service regiment in Perth, and today is a general in the Royal Thai Air Force and a commander of a regiment of the King's Own Body Guards. He is an accomplished pilot.

In 1972 in an elaborate investiture ceremony the king conferred upon his son the title "Chakri Nares Yupharaj Visuth Siam Makut Rajakumar", thus formally affirming the prince's claim to the Chakri dynasty and the crown of the kingdom. That same year the Thai constitution was amended to allow women to become monarchs, and some years later the immensely popular second daughter of the king, princess Sirindhorn, was given the title "Siam Borom Rajakumari"; she is often referred to in English as the crown princess. But as her title is smaller, so is the likelihood that she will inherit the throne; it is the prince whose claim is paramount.

In 1977 the prince married princess Soamsavali Kitiyakara; the two have one daughter, Bajrakitiyabha, who was born in 1978. But in 1979 Vajiralongkorn risked public censure by taking a mistress, the actress Yuvadhida Polpraserth; over the next decade she bore him five children, four sons and a daughter.

Historically, royal polygamy was the rule rather than the exception, and men of power in Thailand today, as in the past, amass wives and consorts as a visible demonstration of their wealth and importance. However, the much-revered king has broken with this tradition, making his son's extra-marital behaviour appear more tawdry and immoral by comparison. When I moved to Thailand over a decade ago, everyone gossipped about the illicit relationship and contrasted it to the prince's "official" marriage, widely thought to be loveless; but by the time I left five years later the second relationship was gaining an air of legitimacy and the boys even began to appear in public with their father.

In the end, however, the relationship came to an acrimonious halt in 1996. Yuvadhida was visiting her children in England, where they were being exiled, with the air chief marshall, when the prince summarily cancelled her travel documents as well as those of her sons and the air marshall (with the implication that there was hanky panky going on behind the prince's back). Today she and the boys live abroad, and only the youngest child, a daughter called Siriwan, remains with the crown prince.

Gossip about the royal family is officially illegal - lese majeste laws are severe in Thailand - but it is an exceedingly popular pastime. The prince is whispered to be arrogant, temperamental, fond of drink, overly attached to western goods, and of course a womanizer; recent rumours are that he has contracted HIV. He does not enjoy the aura of morality and virtue that seems to settle effortlessly on his father and sister. Nevertheless, the forgiving and easy-going Thai seem willing, by and large, to allow the prince to put his tarnished past behind him, perhaps pragmatically recognizing that when the current king, the longest-serving monarch in the world, finally passes away, they will need a symbol of stability to help them move forward.

Though destined, it seems, never to be as beloved as his father, he is more and more in the public eye as he attends endless state, diplomatic, and Buddhist functions in the ailing king's place. He has been raised for, and is growing into, the position he will one day inherit, and when he does, he will be known in English as Rama X."

At last, thanks for the story Geordie

I quite agree with you Flip...the guy is an **** hole to speak to folk like that! What did his last whiping boy die of? Respect works two ways! Wan was telling me that this guys ( prince who ever ) mistress who now lives over here was also caught trying to smuggle drugs in one of her childs teddy bears. She heard this whilst in Thailand from Thais ( tut tut ). True or not...long live free speech where ever you are...EXCEPT in my house when the Sugababes are on the tv then it's sssSSSHHHH!!!

Jintana, I have the utmost respect for His Majesty and most of his family. They work hard for and love their people. But, from what Noi and other Thais have told me and from what I have read, the prince deserves respect from no-one.

What is sad is that Noi tells me that many, maybe most, Thais share this view, but would get into big trouble if they were to say it publicly. I think people respect the King through love, but his son through fear.

Noi says that many Thais would prefer Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri to take over from her father when the time comes.

Sorry to be blunt, and I apologise if what I have said has caused you any offence.

Sako, yes, I have listened to my wife. She may be from a poor background without much education, but you could learn a lot from her.

He had two boy's to the Mia Noi and i think they went to his old school Millfield.

I think its in Stevensons book on the ing (I will check) that the Crown Prince kidnapped his boys at one point and took them to the embassy.

The police were called in my the ex-mia noi and he could have been in a bit of bother but I think the ex withdrew the allegations.

It is definately in one book and i think its in the book mentioned above.

That book is now not for sale in Thailand but was on release. it has many inaccuracies even after the author was given very good access.

There is also something else in there about the CP and his mother being seen with the generals who undertook the coup in 92 the night before it happened.

Flip Posted

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the vast majority of Thai people receive little education about domestic or international political matters - in fact a considerable number are only taught domestic history. So it is not unusual for a foreigner to know more about certain matters in Thailand than a lot of Thai nationals do.

Funny that, whilst in Thailand last month this was talked about with very close family, and they said that because of a distinct lack of education, Thai people don't really understand, but they know that they daren't speak out about the Royal family or the government.
Regards
Bryn

If he is here...send him home...
If he wants to be king one day the least he can do is spend his time there....

Im praying things will be ok when the present king goes,