'Migrants should volunteer - Brown'

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"The chancellor will tell his audience in London that obliging migrants to carry out community work would help introduce them to the people they will be living alongside"

That would be all the people that got community service for nicking motors and the like then.

"He is, I'm told, considering whether as in France, citizenship should be granted on a provisional or a trial basis so that it can be taken away later if people fail to keep their part of the contract,"

Maybe Mr Brown would like to copy the cost of the French visa, that I am told is a lot cheaper (correct me if they are wrong) or maybe copy their working hours as well (of topic sorry, but Mr Brown gives me the hump.)

I think the communty idea is a little off the wall.

But "probation" periods for citizenship, as a first impresson, seems reasonable. Its not just Thai partners we're talking about, and if that means convicted criminals citizenship can be revoked as a consequence of their actions and they are deported, then thats fine by me.

But then you will have debate about how long the tral period is for and if they come from a country allegedly unsafe for them to be returned to (not an argument that holds much sway with me).

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Habib Rahman, of the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI), said: "Compulsory community service is usually imposed as a non-custodial penalty for a criminal offence.

"We are therefore extremely concerned that it is now being proposed as a condition of citizenship."

Yes, exactly.

Perhaps he would be better off making the lazy, sponging parasites that are on benefits to do community service.

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Perhaps he would be better off making the lazy, sponging parasites that are on benefits to do community service.

Bring back National Service I say

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Originally posted by Keith&Mol:

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Perhaps he would be better off making the lazy, sponging parasites that are on benefits to do community service.

Bring back National Service I say

Nick

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Habib Rahman, of the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JCWI), said: "Compulsory community service is usually imposed as a non-custodial penalty for a criminal offence.

"We are therefore extremely concerned that it is now being proposed as a condition of citizenship."
Yes, exactly.

Okay so your new partner will get to meet a "certain class" of person at work - great!!

Why don't we just make them join a chain gang until they qualify for citzenship!!

All this when we can't even keep track of people with criminal records from the continent ( new Europe and old Europe alike - before some members accuse me of being anti- new Europe etc)

-Skippy

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Originally posted by SteveR:
Perhaps he would be better off making the lazy, sponging parasites that are on benefits to do community service.

What, all of us?!?

My Missus already does voluntary work albeit only a couple of mornings per week. She does this voluntarily because she wants to help not compelled. What worries me is what happens to all the genuine people working in charity shops etc when it is flooded with imigrants. What happens to the old ladies and genuine folk that give their time every week for years, people will no longer see volunteers as volunteers and less likely to give, they will be seen as people merely doing it to get a passport or ILR. Once they have this they will be gone, this is no good for anyone long term especially charities. My missus is an immigrant and she chooses to do this, she would never feel the same if she was compelled to do it.

what is the UK coming to????

all down hill from what I can see, the sooner my missus gets her passport then the quicker we can ****** off

upcountry,

same same!
colin 244

What's next Gordon Brown?



Was this guy and his co-horts not recently remembering the abolition of slavery?


Live8: equal oppertunities the World over etc.


and I thought "dubya" was mental.

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Originally posted by upcountry:
what is the UK coming to????
all down hill from what I can see

Couldn't agree more.

So let me get this straight.
1) I bring my spouse to the uk, after they get a visa in which I have to show that I can support them without going to public funds.
2)when they are here I have to support their every requirement.

Now they have to do 'community' work as well?

Wow, not voting labour anymore.

It is slightly crazy

Mol has been here over 5 years and this year she's going to go for the test. She has a job, working with predominately English colleagues, she has both English and Thai friends, she can read and write English. Cmon Mr Brown join the real world. The sooner this Labour Govt gets kicked into touch the better

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Perhaps he would be better off making the lazy, sponging parasites that are on benefits to do community service.

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Bring back National Service I say

why do people think that everyone on benefits are lazy good for nothings?

how about carer's on benefits because they are busy looking after their disabled relative 24 hours a day with very little respite.

how about poeple who have done the crime and done their time but can't get a job because no employer will give them a chance so have very little choice other than to 'sign on' or do jobs that are money in the hand.

as for community work

i think voluntary work is an excellent way to integrate into the local community and become a valued member. its away to meet people outside of your own culture as lots of migrants (including thais) only seem to mix with their own, just like people born here do, which causes/has caused segeration and reinforces prejuices.

voluntary work also builds confidence and can lead to paid employment and a career


its a pity that people in this country have such a bad attitude towards community/voluntary work and see it as working for free.

its a very selfish attitude that the previous conserative government only encouraged that has led to the break up of communities and an increase in anti social behaviour.

A&A
I agree with most of what you've said, but they're people who will take what they can, and its a whole lot more than they're due. Why? Because they can.. it's allowed.

I would never disrespect someone in a genuine situation.

In the small settlement in which I live there is a number of folks who have never worked and produce children in order to to prelong their needs (once every 4 years or so) and they succeed with amazing ease (earning more than my family could wish to earn with a free house aswell).

Can people like this not contribute to Great Britain. Why do we require aliens??

Can't they contribute

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"He is, I'm told, considering whether as in France, citizenship should be granted on a provisional or a trial basis so that it can be taken away later if people fail to keep their part of the contract,"

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that if you was not born here & was granted British Citizenship the government were always able to strip you off it anyway if you committed an offence they deemed bad enough?

GB's idea of having immigrants do community service I personally think is insulting. Maybe include them in educational courses that would improve their likelyhood of feeling a sense of belonging & GRATITUDE to being allowed to live here but to 'punish' them by enrolling them on c.s I think is another way of getting cheap/free labour. If they were to 'offer' them work courses, payed....with possibly an educational certificate tied into a final test/exam then that would be a benefit to both immigrant & society.
Sorry....I forgot...this is a labour government. Stupid me!

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Originally posted by Casey Jones:
... Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that if you was not born here & was granted British Citizenship the government were always able to strip you off it anyway if you committed an offence they deemed bad enough?

That's right KC, in very serious circumstances.

Casey I could not agree more well said.

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GB's idea of having immigrants do community service I personally think is insulting. Maybe include them in educational courses that would improve their likelyhood of feeling a sense of belonging & GRATITUDE to being allowed to live here but to 'punish' them by enrolling them on c.s I think is another way of getting cheap/free labour. If they were to 'offer' them work courses, payed....with possibly an educational certificate tied into a final test/exam then that would be a benefit to both immigrant & society.

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but they're people who will take what they can, and its a whole lot more than they're due. Why? Because they can.. it's allowed.

andy i agree with you on this one

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In the small settlement in which I live there is a number of folks who have never worked and produce children in order to to prelong their needs (once every 4 years or so) and they succeed with amazing ease (earning more than my family could wish to earn with a free house aswell).

and what will probably happen is that their children will carry on the family tradition

in these cases the cycle needs to be broken

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If they were to 'offer' them work courses, payed....with possibly an educational certificate tied into a final test/exam then that would be a benefit to both immigrant & society

good idea, obviously GB's idea needs improving on.

Perhaps before we take the step of forcing immigrants to do voluntary work, we should require all British citizens to spend some time doing voluntary work for the community. It seems to me we live in an incredibly selfish society, and this might help. It seems to work in Cuba . . .

Ian

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Originally posted by IanB:
It seems to me we live in an incredibly selfish society,

Yeah, forced labour would really change that!

I mean, lots of people don't give up their seats to the elderly on public transport, I know, let's have chain gangs.