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    Millsey, thank you for that; we're singing the same tune!
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    agree with not wanting to waste money on esol with citizenship if it's not going to be required for ilr it's ok if money isn't a problem but in my son's case he would rather the money go on the other route. The course my dil is going on is an english course up to the standard of b1 speaking and listening.
    The thing that worries me is if dil waits until early nxt year she will have been here for nearly 8 months out of her 2 years and as we all know time passes quick, i will know more when she goes for assessment in august, i know intent says early next year but who knows when.

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    sorry if i have missed the point is it still a1 when trying to get the settlement visa(entry clearance) but will have to pass the b1 test when they come to england

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    Tangmo, don't even worry about which exam boards or examinations will be accepted. As long as she is studying English she is well on her way to qualification.

    As I've been saying above, B1 is a standard and therefore it is irrelevant at this time where she takes her course. ESOL is still a good course to take as this will take the student in the right direction toward the B1 standard.

    Obviously for those applying for ILR after the end of September 2013 there is no need to find an ESOL course that is taught in a citizenship context (although that will do harm either as the Life in the UK Test will also need to sat at some point).

    The point I am reiterating is this: stop concentrating on the B1 aspect of the new rules, concentrate instead on learning English. As the OP states, the B1 standard is quite high when compared to the A1 standard so the sooner English language skills are developed the easier they will find the B1 test (irrespective of which exam board is used) and the sooner they can then start studying (on their own) for the Life in the UK Test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmer 1 View Post
    sorry if i have missed the point is it still a1 when trying to get the settlement visa(entry clearance) but will have to pass the b1 test when they come to england
    Yes. A1 for the settlement visa and B1 for ILR (and presumably Naturalisation).
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    thanks tobias i do understand , the esol would help but it's down to money as well, she can only enrol in september anyway for whatever so she will have to do some studying at home with the family's help.
    Had to laugh the other day, we were trying the lituk test on computer and she got 2 questions right and i got them wrong, so much for me knowing what goes on in my own country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Millsey View Post
    Apparently they will publish the full details of the english changes "early next year."
    Hey mate I was reading through this thread and accidentally clicked the new 'dislike' button on your post, not sure how to get it reversed/undone - rest assured it's nothing personal

    On the subject of this thread, I haven't got anything in particular to add to what's already been discussed - however the new B1 standards + the stricter immigration concerns are quite concerning. I guess my worry is that they may decide to further tighten the criteria in the future, which would be a real injustice I feel.

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    however the new B1 standards
    Of course we need to appreciate that B1 is not a new standard. What is new is that there is a requirement to pass a speaking /listening test at that level. That is, B1, as well as other levels, are already well-defined.

    This webpage, http://www.cambridgeesol.org/sector/work/index.html , details some levels.
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    We like a few of you here will have to fulfil the new ILR requirements from Oct 13 however in Millsey's post 20 where he quotes from Goverment statement it says that if you have previously gained a B1 pass that was recognised as part of a Visa application then that can be used...Chanita was assesed as level B1/B2 on the listening/talking part of her A1BULATS English test with Vantage Siam that was taken as part of her Settlement application and so could we use this under the criteria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneAlanShearer View Post
    ...Chanita was assesed as level B1/B2 on the listening/talking part of her A1BULATS English test with Vantage Siam that was taken as part of her Settlement application and so could we use this under the criteria?
    Yes, but she will still need to pass the Life in the UK Test.
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    Thanks Tobias, I hope that does prove to be the case, Chanita overall was assessed as A1/A2 but got B1/B2 on the speaking and listening part of the test so will be a big help if this can be used, im sure others will be in this postion to

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    Lets hope so but as wifey has not done a test yet we will see as she thinks her English is rubbish but I don't nor does anyone in my family who has spoken/listened with her

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    Whist on my Sunday off work, ive noticed that the UKBA already have acrredited collages which run the B1 English courses. Follow the link:

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...lish-tests.pdf

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    Are training connect the forum sponser running or going to run a course at B1 english in speaking and listening

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    There are six levels in the CEFR scale: A1 is the first or "beginning" level; B1 is the third or "lower intermediate" level.

    It can typically take approx. 180 to 220 hours of study to move 1 CEFR level. Obviously that can vary depending on frequency of one's studies, the amount of effort put in, and other factors, but that time frame is a good ballpark estimate of the amount of time needed.

    Given the years involved from initial entry to the UK under a Settlement visa with an "A1 level, to reaching a "B1" at the ILR stage, this is not such high hurdle.

    It's also important to separate an English course from an English proficiency test. As per current policy, the tests will almost certainly need to be on the UKBA's Approved Test Provider list. As there are many paths to learning, I would be very surprised if any courses per se are even mentioned.

    No one cares how you get to a B1 level; it's reaching the goalposts that's important. And proving you've done so via a credible test.

    So yeah, Tobias has a good point...there's no reason to not start learning English now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Gentlemen, English is English! The B1 standard is a much higher standard than you appear to appreciate.

    You are not buying a qualification but an education, an ability to communicate, a skill that is vital to your wive's ability to settle in the UK.

    The sooner they start to develop their language skills the better, the sooner they start the easier they will find the Life in the UK test and the sooner they will arrive at the B1 standard.
    Tobias, can you call up my wife and tell her this please? I've been trying to tell her something similar for ages, in Thailand, even when it was just A1 level to pass for a settlement visa! (She's getting a bit better now, to be fair, now in the UK...)

    ... Having read through the whole thread, Siam Andy's answered what I was going to ask: How many hours to get to that standard? Thanks Andy.

    About 400 hours to get from an A1 to B1. If that's done over a year, it's about 34 hours per month. 8-9 hours per week.

    How much to get from nothing to A1 for most people? My wife seemed to take more than 220 hours, I think, although she had big breaks in two periods of study...
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    I told my wife to study more English in Thailand, I said to get a job in the UK, you need to speak better English and also read better English. I bought her book in Thai and English, it came with cd to listen to English words, hardly ever bothers with it, I said last week, you need to read the book and listen to the cd, I think she did about 30 minutes and then carried on using facebook!

    Starting from today she will be learning the hard way, buses and trains to get to work and communicating with British people and no help from me, practical learning.

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    I am really proud of my wife Noo, she passed her ESOL entry 1 (assessed at entry level) in the 7 months we were in the UK, and then every leave we had we would come to the UK and she would attempt to do the LITUK. Passed it on the forth attempt. But she used to rod it off, until i explained how important it is. She even translated all of the book from English to Thai.when we first got to Germany she would cut the grass every two weeks, now she is like a English Army wife and lets me do it when i come home from work. She doesn't like formal mess do's, says there is too much sitting around.MickMick

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    In the short term does anyone know of any text books available which are aimed at B1 that I can buy so I can get the wife started at home?

    In addition, I was chatting to my step-sister last week about the fact that my wife will have to pass this B1 test when it comes to her ILR application in Feb '14. She was talking to her son's school teacher about it and he has kindly offered to put together some lesson plans for us to try and help her at home.

    Cheers
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    I thought your wife was settled in the UK, Steve.

    I'm not entirely sure the new rules apply to her unless she applies for FLR. Maybe, I'm interpreting the new rules incorrectly.

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