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    Hi all.

    My Thai step son (and ourselves) who is seventeen now and is a UK citizen is wondering about the army subcription in LOS.

    Does somebody know how it works in this situation? He has been in the UK since he was seven. Mother wants to be sure that he doesnt have a problem owning land or any other related issues in the future.

    The thought of him having to leave for a year to do this seems bizzar to me. He doesnt even speak Thai anymore.

    Thanks Paul

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    Hmmm....little short on time and really don't want to get into an argument on this as happened last time.

    The official position, and for those who wish to argue, the information is available online, is that your son cannot have dual citizenship after he turns 18 (could be 21, can't remember). At that time he should choose which citizenship he wants to retain and denounce the other. If he chooses Thai then he is liable (although its unlikely) for national service. Only a Thai female married to a foreigner can have dual citizenship.

    That's the official position although there will have been many thousands of Thai/?? citizens who have lived in the UK for many years and kept both passports.

    Personally I'd rather make the choice. You never know what's been given the blind eye in past years but now enforced by the military government. Who's to say he wouldn't be arrested if he visits Thailand using his Thai passport or tries to renew it?

    Of course, making the choice throws up other issues.....................if he chooses to be a Thai citizen then surely he would need a settlement visa to return to the UK?

    I know none of these problems have ever come up for many thousands of others - I'm just telling you the official line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    Hmmm....little short on time and really don't want to get into an argument on this as happened last time.

    The official position, and for those who wish to argue, the information is available online, is that your son cannot have dual citizenship after he turns 18 (could be 21, can't remember). At that time he should choose which citizenship he wants to retain and denounce the other. If he chooses Thai then he is liable (although its unlikely) for national service. Only a Thai female married to a foreigner can have dual citizenship.

    That's the official position although there will have been many thousands of Thai/?? citizens who have lived in the UK for many years and kept both passports.

    Personally I'd rather make the choice. You never know what's been given the blind eye in past years but now enforced by the military government. Who's to say he wouldn't be arrested if he visits Thailand using his Thai passport or tries to renew it?

    Of course, making the choice throws up other issues.....................if he chooses to be a Thai citizen then surely he would need a settlement visa to return to the UK?

    I know none of these problems have ever come up for many thousands of others - I'm just telling you the official line.

    Thanks Flip

    Where should I look to find info on this?

    What Da is saying, is that if he has a Thai passport, he will get the letter to possibly be called into the army for service sent to the family home.

    We was wondering how other familys have dealt with this situation and the best way to go about it.

    We realy have no clue at this stage.

    Thanks Paul

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    Taking aside the ‘official’ dual nationality rules for males (its 21 incidentally) the RTA will not accept in to National service someone who cannot read or write Thai.
    You/he will still probably receive notification if he is registered or has a Thai ID to the last address registered. He will still be obliged to respond but until he is 21, may simply ignore the notification but it would be advised that someone respond saying he is living overseas with mother.
    If and when it comes to the time when subscription is imminent, simply be honest regarding the reading and writing issues.
    It can be arranged with the local RTA subscription office for an interview. This is the point where it can be ‘arranged’ either upfront or ‘by arrangement’ that your step son is not suitable for call up.
    Dodging the call up is easy, one way or another.
    Dual nationality and, owning land is another. We are at this stage with my son who is nearly 19. We were advised that he should have land in his name now rather than leave it until later.
    We have my son and two daughters on the land registry as owners and owners of the family house along with mum.
    Sorry, meant to add.
    The ‘call up’ is handled locally from recorded registration in the Ahmpur. Once the 21 age limit passes, it is then handled by the RTA in BKK.
    Much easier to discuss matters in your local home town.


    Every male Thai citizen is obliged to serve however, there are many many exceptions for being excused. That’s why I would recommend speaking to the local RTA people in your area.
    We have several family in Thailand and several family members living abroad who have ticked all the boxes and excused from national service. All the oversea members have dual nationality and aged between 18-32.
    Last edited by ian1208; 2nd Apr 2017 at 14:33.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merc Fintail View Post
    Where should I look to find info on this?
    Do a search on Google, it may take some time but I remember finding an official source in English - must have been from Google, I don't use anything else.

    According to this, which from memory is identical to the official site, the age when the choice of nationality must be made is 18. Ian states 21 but I think that's in regard to National Service.

    THAILAND


    CITIZENSHIP: Citizenship laws are based on the Nationality Act of 1965 with Amendment No.2 AD 1992 and Amendment No.3 AD 1993.

    BY BIRTH: Birth within the territory of Thailand does not automatically confer citizenship. A person born of a father or mother of Thai nationality, whether within or outside the Thai Kingdom.
    A person born within the Thai Kingdom except a person of alien parents if, at the time of birth, the father was not married to the mother, unless the mother was given leniency for temporary residence or had been permitted to stay temporarily in the Thai Kingdom, unless she had entered the Kingdom without permission.
    BY DESCENT: Child born in wedlock, either of whose parents is a citizen of Thailand, regardless of the child's country of birth. Child born out of wedlock, whose mother is a citizen of Thailand and whose father is unknown or stateless, regardless of the child's country of birth.
    BY NATURALIZATION: Before being able to apply for Thai citizenship, the person must have the following qualifications: Have displayed good behavior. Have a regular occupation. Have a domicile in the Thai Kingdom for a consecutive period of not less than five years. Have knowledge of Thai language.

    DUAL CITIZENSHIP: NOT RECOGNIZED. Exceptions:

    Child born abroad to Thai parents, who obtains the citizenship of the foreign country of birth, may retain dual citizenship until reaching the age of majority (18). At this point, person must choose which citizenship to retain.
    A Thai woman who marries a foreign national and acquires her husband's citizenship has technically lost her Thai citizenship. Should the marriage end in death or divorce, the Thai national woman could regain her Thai citizenship. This is an unofficial dual citizenship designed to protect female Thai nationals.


    LOSS OF CITIZENSHIP:

    VOLUNTARY: Voluntary renunciation of citizenship is permitted by Thai law. Contact the Embassy for details and proper paperwork. If a person of Thai nationality who was born of an alien father and has acquired the nationality of their father desires to retain the other nationality, they must renounce Thai nationality within one year after attaining the age of twenty years.
    INVOLUNTARY: The following are grounds for involuntary loss of Thai citizenship: Person voluntarily acquires foreign citizenship. When there exist circumstances suitable for maintaining the security or interests of the State, the government is empowered to revoke Thai nationality of a person who had acquired Thai nationality through naturalization.

    ANY QUESTIONS concerning citizenship, or requests for renunciation of citizenship, should be directed to the address below:

    Embassy of Thailand Consular Section 1024 Wisconsin Ave., NW Washington, DC 20007
    Embassy/Consular Telephone: 202-944-3600 Fax: 202-944-3611
    http://emailhost.ait.ac.th/asia/info.html



    http://www.multiplecitizenship.com/w..._THAILAND.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    A Thai woman who marries a foreign national and acquires her husband's citizenship has technically lost her Thai citizenship. Should the marriage end in death or divorce, the Thai national woman could regain her Thai citizenship. This is an unofficial dual citizenship designed to protect female Thai nationals.
    So my wife's not Thai at the moment and shouldn't have been allowed to use her Thai passport going through customs?

    Although my children have Thai passports, I don't see Thai citizenship as being beneficial for them (I don't want to encourage them to own land or settle in a country that isn't under democratic rule and that has different rules for the rich, etc) so I'd be inclined to formalise the UK choice to be safe, even though I know Thai men who've avoided national service without any punishment.

    My wife would probably say otherwise. As seen with the dual citizenship thing and countless rich people getting off death by dangerous driving charges, the technical rule and implementation of it are two completely different things in Thailand...

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    I think that's their interpretation LWTG. I've yet to learn of a Thai female, married to a 'foreigner' who's been asked to hand her passport back. A few years ago there was often kafuffle at the airport when some Thai girl or other presented both her Thai and 'foreign' passports at Don Muaeng immigration on a trip back home. The Thai passport was removed but eventually handed back - I suspect there were other reasons (envelopes?) why the passport was taken in the first place but its many years since I've heard of this happening.

    As far as I know (this is not official) Thai ladies, married to a 'foreigner' are actually allowed dual nationality - only them though.

    Best way is, say nowt and don't go flashing both passports around - no matter how much (perceived) face is gained .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    Best way is, say nowt and don't go flashing both passports around...
    Same as I keep telling Nok.
    Laos does not accept (or at least didn't when Nok applied for UK) Dual Citizenship and when we asked about this in the UK before Nok applied we were told that the UK recognises dual citizenship but does not actively seek to inform another country when someone obtains UK citizenship and does not enforce any rules or regulations other than those of the UK.

    So, in other words up to you if you wish to tell.

    I keep telling her to keep her UK passport in her bag when she enters and leaves Thailand, at least at passport control.
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    Thanks

    I will pass this on to the boss.

    Paul

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