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    Quote Originally Posted by rasg View Post
    I wouldn't have a problem with a smokers bar at all. If non smokers were allowed they would know exactly what they were letting themselves in for. Litter louts should be hit in the same way as smokers.
    Agreed ! given sufficient extraction smoking rooms can also work but the issue is generally the smell still escaped and the cleaners etc were exposed to the fumes.

    Also Flip not part of any anti-smoking lobby just part of the don't share the smell or smoke with me or anyone else who chooses not to smoke.
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    I'm a mild smoker (5 a day) though I am going to try and boot the habit for good this year. I smoke for the simple reason that I enjoy it. I enjoy the freedom it allows me when sitting having a cooled beer and watching a football match whilst lighting up a mild ciggie. I enjoy standing in the shade of a tree or balcony watching it rain whilst enjoying one. I don't have one before around 4pm when I finish work and if I'm working late I can go the whole day without craving one yet when I get in I crave the feeling. Jo Brand recently said that quitting was the worst thing she ever done. In summary, there are people out there that simply enjoy the vice.

    However, sitting in an outside public place, such as a restaurant, and seeing someone breathing smoke all over adjacent diners, many of which are often children, repulses me. Standing outside Tescos and blowing smoke over shoppers that have to walk past infuriates me. Equally digging a sandcastle on a beach and having to constantly cast aside fag butts shows there is something very wrong with the current set up in Thailand. That said its easy to yet again indirectly blame and target tourists for this. Undoubtedly we have all seen foreigners throw butts into the sand but anybody who has witnessed the scene after a Thai public holiday will see where the real cause of Thailand's litter problems stem from. Like so many other environmental issues they constantly abuse and ignore, Thais vision of global warming, pollution and wrong doing is one of, let somebody else deal with it. The authorities can false threaten all they like but until they take this seriously and start educating from the very earliest age about the affects they are having on their own country this will never change. The late man himself was constantly trying to promote self-efficiency and taking care of their country yet the insular views of the public brushed it away.

    Sadly, my honest opinion of Thailand and how the natives treat it is simply that they don't deserve it. The treatment of wildlife, areas of natural beauty and its other natural wonders is horrendous. This is just one of so many disgraces to the country as a spectacle.

    Is it a real threat? I doubt it. In fact I'm certain its another money-making scam for the powers that be and like all similar nonsensical laws will come with stories of locals getting away with it yet passing tourists scammed.

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    Couldn't agree more and we're on the same page about smoking in restaurants etc. There are many inconsiderate smokers but some people think that because we smoke, we don't mind smokey places. Well I do, when I'm not smoking I, like most people, enjoy clean air.

    I also enjoy a smoke but I have no intention of stopping, although if I was paying £9 per pack in the UK that would do it for me. The biggest struggle for me is when I'm having a beer and in some ways I think the 'slackness' over enforcing the current law in smoking in bars, where most bars allow smoking on the outside tables works far better than the situation in the UK. The doorways of UK pubs are disgusting because of the concentration of people congregating around them.

    Still, this is about beaches and although it will be hit and miss, I think some people will fall foul of it.

    And yes, its a separate issue but Thailand's attitude to environmental issues is very poor. It begins with the hideous amount of carrier bags used at supermarkets and 7/11's insistence in putting everything in a bag and goes all the way up to power stations.

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