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axel1974
15th Nov 2007, 13:36
I wonder what the wider implications of such profiling will be. I can't help but think that being a regular visitor to Thailand will count as a black mark especially for customs interrogation etc.

From the Daily Mail

Travellers face price hikes and confusion after the Government unveiled plans to take up to 53 pieces of information from anyone entering or leaving Britain.

For every journey, security officials will want credit card details, holiday contact numbers, travel plans, email addresses, car numbers and even any previous missed flights.

The e-borders system will monitor every passenger travelling into or out of the country

The information, taken when a ticket is bought, will be shared among police, customs, immigration and the security services for at least 24 hours before a journey is due to take place.

Anybody about whom the authorities are dubious can be turned away when they arrive at the airport or station with their baggage.

Those with outstanding court fines, such as a speeding penalty, could also be barred from leaving the country, even if they pose no security risk.

The information required under the "e-borders" system was revealed as Gordon Brown announced plans to tighten security at shopping centres, airports and ports.

Travel companies, which will run up a bill of £20million a year compiling the information, will pass on the cost to customers via ticket prices, and the Government is considering introducing its own charge on travellers to recoup costs.

The measure applies equally to UK residents going abroad and foreigners travelling here.

The information will be stored for as long as the authorities believe it is useful, allowing them to build a complete picture of where a person has been over their lifetime, how they paid and the contact numbers of who they stayed with.

Restrictions on hand luggage carried on to passenger planes will be lifted from January.

Starting with several airports in the New Year, we will work with airport operators to ensure all UK airports are in a position to allow passengers to fly with more than one item of hand luggage, Gordon Brown said.

The full list of items includes
1. full name
2. gender
3. date of birth
4. nationality
5. type of travel document
6. travel document number
7. issuing country of travel document
8. expiry date
9. registration of any vehicle used to travel
10. place of birth
11. issue date of travel
12. UK visa or entry clearance expiry date
13. booking reference number
14. date of reservation
15. date of intended travel
16. passenger name (if different to full name)
17. other passengers on same booking
18. passengers address
19. form of payment including credit card number
20. billing address
21. contact numbers including hotel or relative being visited
22. travel itinerary and route
23. frequent flyer information (miles flown and addresses)
24. travel agency
25. person at travel agency who made booking
26. reference number of any shared booking
27. status of booking eg. confirmed, wait-listed
28. details of passengers on booking with different itinerary
29. email address
30. ticket number and date of issue
31. any other information the ticket agent considers of interest
32. number on ticket
33. reserved seat number
34. date ticket is issued
35. no show history
36. bag tag numbers
37. details of whether travel arrangements are flexible
38. names of any infants or staff traveling in party
39. is traveller an unaccompanied minor
40. details of who made the booking
41. al historical changes to travel arrangements
42. number of travellers in party
43. seat information including whether first class
44. is the ticket one way only
45. any other biographical information
46. cost of fare
47. check in time
48. actual seat number
49. how much luggage checked in
50. check in agents initials
51. outbound travel indicator
52. where did journey begin if not first leg of trip
53. group indicator or whether a party is a family or friend etc.

its great to know that the cost is being passed on to us again though isnt it

you know where you can go gormless brown

axel1974
15th Nov 2007, 13:36
I wonder what the wider implications of such profiling will be. I can't help but think that being a regular visitor to Thailand will count as a black mark especially for customs interrogation etc.

From the Daily Mail

Travellers face price hikes and confusion after the Government unveiled plans to take up to 53 pieces of information from anyone entering or leaving Britain.

For every journey, security officials will want credit card details, holiday contact numbers, travel plans, email addresses, car numbers and even any previous missed flights.

The e-borders system will monitor every passenger travelling into or out of the country

The information, taken when a ticket is bought, will be shared among police, customs, immigration and the security services for at least 24 hours before a journey is due to take place.

Anybody about whom the authorities are dubious can be turned away when they arrive at the airport or station with their baggage.

Those with outstanding court fines, such as a speeding penalty, could also be barred from leaving the country, even if they pose no security risk.

The information required under the "e-borders" system was revealed as Gordon Brown announced plans to tighten security at shopping centres, airports and ports.

Travel companies, which will run up a bill of £20million a year compiling the information, will pass on the cost to customers via ticket prices, and the Government is considering introducing its own charge on travellers to recoup costs.

The measure applies equally to UK residents going abroad and foreigners travelling here.

The information will be stored for as long as the authorities believe it is useful, allowing them to build a complete picture of where a person has been over their lifetime, how they paid and the contact numbers of who they stayed with.

Restrictions on hand luggage carried on to passenger planes will be lifted from January.

Starting with several airports in the New Year, we will work with airport operators to ensure all UK airports are in a position to allow passengers to fly with more than one item of hand luggage, Gordon Brown said.

The full list of items includes
1. full name
2. gender
3. date of birth
4. nationality
5. type of travel document
6. travel document number
7. issuing country of travel document
8. expiry date
9. registration of any vehicle used to travel
10. place of birth
11. issue date of travel
12. UK visa or entry clearance expiry date
13. booking reference number
14. date of reservation
15. date of intended travel
16. passenger name (if different to full name)
17. other passengers on same booking
18. passengers address
19. form of payment including credit card number
20. billing address
21. contact numbers including hotel or relative being visited
22. travel itinerary and route
23. frequent flyer information (miles flown and addresses)
24. travel agency
25. person at travel agency who made booking
26. reference number of any shared booking
27. status of booking eg. confirmed, wait-listed
28. details of passengers on booking with different itinerary
29. email address
30. ticket number and date of issue
31. any other information the ticket agent considers of interest
32. number on ticket
33. reserved seat number
34. date ticket is issued
35. no show history
36. bag tag numbers
37. details of whether travel arrangements are flexible
38. names of any infants or staff traveling in party
39. is traveller an unaccompanied minor
40. details of who made the booking
41. al historical changes to travel arrangements
42. number of travellers in party
43. seat information including whether first class
44. is the ticket one way only
45. any other biographical information
46. cost of fare
47. check in time
48. actual seat number
49. how much luggage checked in
50. check in agents initials
51. outbound travel indicator
52. where did journey begin if not first leg of trip
53. group indicator or whether a party is a family or friend etc.

its great to know that the cost is being passed on to us again though isnt it

you know where you can go gormless brown

KhunIanB-UK
15th Nov 2007, 14:15
you know where you can go gormless brown

Apparantly wherever he likes and doesn't have to pay for it!

You won't see him in his car queueing up for Petrol/Diesel and immediately he become Priminister he picked up all the benefits of the job for life. If they get enough Priministers in between elections they could have quite an elite group of highly paid pensioners, cost burdened to the tax payer.

Anyway, I think a good idea the security measures, but then again when you read:-

"Those with outstanding court fines, such as a speeding penalty, could also be barred from leaving the country, even if they pose no security risk."

It makes you wonder how many innocents that have paid for their holiday and taken time off work and will then be turned away at the check-in desk due to mistaken identity, misinformation etc. "Create a fuss sir and you WILL be arrested, Computer says NO"

Saw a program called The Enforcers on TV last night, A Liverpudlian woman was stopped in her little Merc as the PNC said there was no insurance on the car. She was sure that she was insured, but couldn't remember all the details. They made her and family leave the car which they stickered with No Insurance stickers over the window. She eventually got a taxi to take them home with shopping and all, later the Police found that she was insured after all. The Policeman actually said that he couldn't assist her in checking on the insurance after she was initially put in the back of the squad car. Guilty until proved innocent.

I think it's going to make me nervous about travelling, why??

Mark W
15th Nov 2007, 14:31
1. full name
2. gender
3. date of birth
4. nationality
5. type of travel document
6. travel document number
7. issuing country of travel document
8. expiry date
9. registration of any vehicle used to travel
10. place of birth
11. issue date of travel
12. UK visa or entry clearance expiry date
13. booking reference number
14. date of reservation
15. date of intended travel
16. passenger name (if different to full name)
17. other passengers on same booking
18. passengers address
19. form of payment including credit card number
20. billing address
21. contact numbers including hotel or relative being visited
22. travel itinerary and route
23. frequent flyer information (miles flown and addresses)
24. travel agency
25. person at travel agency who made booking
26. reference number of any shared booking
27. status of booking eg. confirmed, wait-listed
28. details of passengers on booking with different itinerary
29. email address
30. ticket number and date of issue
31. any other information the ticket agent considers of interest
32. number on ticket
33. reserved seat number
34. date ticket is issued
35. no show history
36. bag tag numbers
37. details of whether travel arrangements are flexible
38. names of any infants or staff traveling in party
39. is traveller an unaccompanied minor
40. details of who made the booking
41. al historical changes to travel arrangements
42. number of travellers in party
43. seat information including whether first class
44. is the ticket one way only
45. any other biographical information
46. cost of fare
47. check in time
48. actual seat number
49. how much luggage checked in
50. check in agents initials
51. outbound travel indicator
52. where did journey begin if not first leg of trip
53. group indicator or whether a party is a family or friend etc.

The majority of those have to be given now so I don't think it's going to be too much hassle.

axel1974
15th Nov 2007, 14:33
did you see the mobile phone video from canada about the poor polish guy being tasered after waiting 10 hours at the airport trying to meet his mother

he gets agitated cos nobody speaks polish

i think i might get angry if i was waiting at an airport for 10 hours

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7095875.stm

Linne
15th Nov 2007, 16:03
more questions from our american friends
1) ever been a nazi
2) have you ever committed moral turpitude
or from los, "the photo"

Skippy
16th Nov 2007, 10:16
1) ever been a nazi

Why?? will it make getting a US Green Card easier?
:cry:

axel1974
16th Nov 2007, 10:22
i always laugh when you see on visa forms..... have you ever taken part in genocide or terrorist activities

as if anyone is going to be that stupid to admit to anything like that

dan&ploy
16th Nov 2007, 11:14
From the Daily Mail

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