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    Wink Moving to Thailand can you help me.

    Hi,
    My best friend is moving to Thailand to marry his fiancée who is now pregnant. He has given up his job and wants to move over to live hopefully forever. Can anyone who has a direct knowledge of the process point him in the right direction as to long stay visas. He is taking over approx £1 million baht in cash. but no other assets or income. He is still of a working age and wants to potentially set up businesses with his missus when he gets there. So basically so down to earth help would be appreciated. He has been told by the Thai consulate in Wales that he can apply for an "O" visa for approx 1 year with a renewal in the UK but doesn't want to waste money flying to UK and back is there an easier way without resorting to the usual Cambodia to Thailand border run. Any help would be really appreciated. FYI he is moving to the Phictit area of LOS so anyone out that way please get in touch and you might find yourself with a new buddy living nearby.

    Hope to hear from someone soon.

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    How old is your friend and how old is his fiancee? What work did he do in the UK and what did (does) she do?

    I ask because 1 million baht, with wife and child to support and as a newcomer to Thailand, and with potentially no income and with 400,000 baht 'untouchable' because of the visa renewal, (within Thailand), will be gone before he knows it.

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    E, N, H.

    Initially all he will need is a non-immigrant type-O visa. There are different types, so he requires what is commonly referred to as a "1 year, multi entry version".

    This is actually a 90 day visa, renewable every 90 days, by doing a "visa run", usually to a country bordering Thailand (Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia, or Myanmar). He will have to do this border crossing, to enable him to have a further 90 days in Thailand. If the final "visa run" is done just before the 1 year is up. then the final 90 days can extend the 1 year to nearly 15 months.

    Whilst he is doing this, and there are foreigners here who have been doing this for many years, there is no banking requirements for any long term visa extensions. So the money he brings over would be his own.

    As Dan says, to stay long term without doing the above, requires proof for Thai Immigration, of at least 400.000 baht in a Thai bank account, or proof of income of 40,000 baht per month. That is for a 'spouse' visa extension to the original non-O visa. This can also be referred to as a 'family' visa extension.

    Business opportunities are few and far between, although I do know of many who would like to relieve your friend of his 1,000,000 baht for a partnership in their failing projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed,Nee and Harry View Post
    Hi,
    He is taking over approx £1 million baht in cash. but no other assets or income.
    Just for clarification, do you mean '£1 million in baht in cash' or '1 million baht (£20k) in cash'. Also, do you literally mean 'in cash' as in a suitcase full of banknotes, or in a UK bank with ATM access in Thailand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan&ploy View Post

    ...1 million baht...with wife and child to support and as a newcomer to Thailand, and with potentially no income and with 400,000 baht 'untouchable' because of the visa renewal, (within Thailand), will be gone before he knows it.
    Especially that as a farang, your money might be viewed as coming from a bottomless pit.

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    E, N, H.

    Business opportunities are few and far between, although I do know of many who would like to relieve your friend of his 1,000,000 baht for a partnership in their failing projects.
    Dave.

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    Hi ddwjg,
    thanks for the info. Can you just explain for me what happens after one year, does he have to leave Thailand to apply for another "o" visa or can he apply in Thailand for it?

    --- Update ---

    both are in their late thirties, and he is a engineer, with a lot of hands on skills, His fiancée has some ideas about businesses to start when he gets over there, but he is oging to treat the first few months as a working holiday seeing what is available and going from there.

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    After one year he has the choice to leave Thailand and apply for another 12 month non-O visa (based on his then marriage) or to renew in Thailand (if married). The latter involves a minimum amount over a year in a Thai bank (or a lump sum for 3 months prior to renewal), the former does not, but realistically he would have to return to the UK to get the new visa. The amount is as Dave stated above ( currently). He could renew in a neighbouring country for just 3 months at a time.

    He (and his fiance) needs to aware that he is excluded from from a large number of work options here in Thailand. What type of engineer is he?

    Is your friend unable to write for himself?

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    It never fails to amaze me that someone thinks they can just go and travel to a far away land and think they can simply set up a business and work.
    It never fails to amaze me that someones partner in Thailand thinks they can simply set up a business and tell their partner they can work.
    A million baht will raise a few ideas for a business start-up. Sorry if I sound negative here but it sounds like a 'where did I go wrong' story in 12 months.

    The only possible 'plus' point is the type of engineer he may be.
    Judging others before you have met isn't a wise option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian1208 View Post

    The only possible 'plus' point is the type of engineer he may be.
    Hopefully a type that does work that a Thai cannot do

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    What kind of engineering is your friend expecting to be able to do in Phichit?

    If he's already given his job up in the UK, it sounds like he's going to do it anyway. Seems a tad impetuous to me, seeing as he's got a baby on the way and seems to have done very little research before taking the plunge.

    Visas are one hurdle, but one of the easiest to sort out. The hardest thing to do is to make sure you have enough money coming in to support a family. If it were as easy as getting a visa, I would have done it two years ago!

    ฿1,000,000 might seem like a lot, but it will run out very very quickly.

    More details would be useful. As Dan said, can your friend not join the forum himself? I'm sure he would get some good advice if he did.
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    with a lot of hands on skills
    Yes, we can see that from the state his fiance is in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed,Nee and Harry View Post
    Hi ddwjg,
    thanks for the info. Can you just explain for me what happens after one year, does he have to leave Thailand to apply for another "o" visa or can he apply in Thailand for it?

    As far as I am aware he cannot renew the visa in Thailand. Once the 1 year/15 months, is up, he must exit Thailand, unless he has applied for the visa extension mentioned earlier.

    I have so far only tried to answer the questions you have asked, but I must say your friends ideas are pretty impractical, and he would, as others have commented, very soon find himself in financial strife.

    It would be better for those on here to judge his chances, with a little bit more specific info.e.g. type of engineer. His partner's ideas for a business may have flaws, due to her lack of knowledge of Thai Immigration rules. People on this forum can help, but they need more information to do so.



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    Thanks once again Dave for you info, it is appreciated.

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    It would be better for those on here to judge his chances, with a little bit more specific info.e.g. type of engineer.

    As for the above, I think he has been judged on here enough already, and that is why he is reluctant to post himself as he didn't want to get into any tit for tat with anyone.

    I for one think he's brave going out and giving it a try, He is going out there to integrate into Thai life and not go down to Pattaya and open a beer bar or the usual. After all as del boy would say "He who dares wins"

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    You didn't answer my query relating to how much money he was actually taking but I'm now assuming it is £20,000. Probably enough to live on upcountry, cover the costs of his child's birth, get married and sort out settlement visas so that they can all return to the UK while he gets some serious money together.
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    Well I wish him good luck in what he does but it is a bit of a risk is it not? giving up job here etc.

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    Yes, brave for sure, and I wish him all the very best of luck. But (there's always a 'but'), there does need to be some thought and planning involved for something that's brave to succeed.

    I'm not saying he hasn't done any planning, but if he doesn't know what the visa options/restrictions are, that doesn't bode well for the rest of the plan does it?

    He's already given up his job, he has a baby on the way and £20,000 to make a new life in a new country as 'an engineer' in an unspecified field up in rural Thailand (I don't mean 'field' as in 'field in rural Thailand, I mean...oh you know what I mean! ).

    Integrating into Thai life is a very admirable goal, not an easy one to achieve though, especially if you don't really know how you're going to do it.

    I must say, I find it a bit odd when people ask about visas because they're 'starting a new life' and don't want to say how, or what they will be doing to earn money. Plenty of people here know a lot about how to do that, and how not to do it as well. Not posting because you might not like the answers you get seems a little short-sighted in my opinion.

    Advice is quite possibly the most valuable commodity around. I accept all of it, when I ask for it.

    The best advice is often that which you don't like to hear. Obviously, if someone has already made their mind up, then there's no point in even asking, they can just go right ahead and risk their new family's future and hope that 'something turns up'.

    If you try something brave in this country and it doesn't work, you have a safety net that will catch you. You might have family that can help, you definitely have a social security system that will keep you alive, housed, and fed.

    In Thailand, if you try something brave and it doesn't work, sorry to say...but you're screwed!

    What then? Back to the UK to sign on?
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    OP, your friend should be very objective in distinguishing between getting a visa or extension of stay in Thailand, and being able to work there. If, and only if, he marries his fiancee he can, as has already been pointed out, apply to the local immigration office for an extension of stay if he can show Thai bank account in his name which has had a minimum balance of 400,000baht for the previous 3 months, or 40,000baht monthly income from abroad (i.e. not his wife's earnings).
    Having an extension as a foreign spouse would entitle him to apply for a work permit. However, there are precious few occupations for which he could get one. He should disabuse himself of the notion that he can go to Thailand and set up a business - his wife could set up a business, but he would not be able to work in it. There are countless stories of foreigners who have financed a bar, and been arrested for working in it.
    Many of my neighbours in Rayong province are expat workers employed by multinational companies engaged in manufacturing and a vast range of fabrication work and servicing the petrochemical industry. Your friend's engineering qualifications might get him into suitable employment in that area.
    Otherwise, for someone in his 30s to go and live in a village in Nakhon Nowhere and hope he can sort something out is, IMHO, courting disaster. As a retired wrinkly it's easy for me to talk, I know, but a person's 30's and 40's should be his peak earning years and to give them up to a pipe-dream is surrendering rather too much objectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowsailor View Post
    ....... if he can show Thai bank account in his name which has had a minimum balance of 400,000baht for the previous 3 months, or 40,000baht monthly income from abroad (i.e. not his wife's earnings).
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    Correction - the money should be on deposit for 2 months, not 3. Also, the 40,000 monthly could be earned in Thailand, as long as he could show it was his legal earnings - see this link to the Thai Immigration regulations, Para2.18 - http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004...77-2551_en.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed,Nee and Harry View Post
    Hi,
    My best friend is moving to Thailand to marry his fiancée who is now pregnant. He is taking over approx £1 million baht in cash..
    Is it his idea to take 1 million baht or is it is fiancee idea.

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    I have just been reading this post. Surely anyone that is serious about moving to Thailand would have looked into the Visa requirements themselves. We are in the process of planning to move and we have done all the research and planned this very carefully.

    1 million baht does not last long in Thailand anymore !!! Cars are more expensive. Schools are more expensive. Healthcare you need to pay for !!!

    Plan well, have money - or don't move - that is the honest truth.

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