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    Remarkable that someone can live in the UK all their working life paying NI contributions, retire to Thailand, then can't return to the UK for free treatment but someone halfway through a course of treatment can.

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    What do you mean, BigRed?
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    BigRed, it's Sawyers wife in Thailand who will have had 2 out of 3 'shots' of medicine as a precaution since she was bitten by a cat. By the time the 3rd shot is required, she will be in the UK.
    Sawyer is asking simply can he get HER the 3rd part/shot on the NHS
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    Quote Originally Posted by ian1208 View Post
    ... Sawyer is asking simply can he get HER the 3rd part/shot on the NHS
    ... and the answer is yes, she can receive free NHS treatment.
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    and the answer is yes, she can receive free NHS treatment.
    Because it is treatment after the fact and not preventative, correct Tobias?
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    If you arrive on a settlement visa you are entitled to free NHS care from day 1 in the UK end of it makes no difference if its for prophylaxis or for existing conditions etc.

    As a non UK resident you are not entitled to free treatment unless you return to the UK to settle i,e, cannot just come back for a vacation to get an operation. I rather my insurance paid for some opthalmic treatment when I lived in Switzerland and had to see a consultant on a weekend visit.
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    Sorry for being a bit cryptic, but Ash seems to have deciphered it

    I have an acquaintance who has recently come back to the UK due to ill health and was advised he would not be entitled to free treatment for 6 months. He has had a full working life and paid NI all the time. Contrast this with someone who has not contributed a penny and is entitled to free treatment straight away. They will probably offer to supply a translator FOC as well

    I have no problems with Sawyers wife getting free treatment but feel my acquaintance deserves better treatment.

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    Bigred........Think of it this way its national INSURANCE if you stop paying the premiums then you cannot claim. Having said that if your mate was in Thailand is he ever more than a long stay tourist. So where is he settled ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed View Post
    ... I have an acquaintance who has recently come back to the UK due to ill health and was advised he would not be entitled to free treatment for 6 months...
    The information given to your acquaintance is wrong. If he returned to the UK with a view to settle here again then he too is entitled to free treatment on the NHS.
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    Lucky it was only a bte

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    Thanks for that Tobias, I wasn't 100% convinced but recall seeing it (as a Government proposal perhaps?) some time ago. As he's been in Thailand a while a lot of his information comes from Expat forums, where typically they don't seem to know any of the rules properly but swear they are experts.

    Linne, it's National insurance not individual insurance. Some people pay for the benefit of the nation as a whole, which includes many people who haven't contributed to it, Sawyers wife being a case in point, although hopefully she will pay her way once she has settled here. The whole system is basically a Ponzi scheme which relies on ever increasing growth to fund it.
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    They found the car a few days later and he is nowhere to be found.
    Sad story and I hope he does get found and they can get back their losses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
    I hope he does get found and they can get back their losses!
    Knowing what Thais are like for revenge Ian I suspect he will not venture anywhere near where it happend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    The information given to your acquaintance is wrong. If he returned to the UK with a view to settle here again then he too is entitled to free treatment on the NHS.
    I thought it was a six month wait as well. Did it used to be and was changed, or was this only a proposal, or do you mean just emergency treatment?

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    There seem to be a fair amount of stories, newspaper articles etc. claiming that UK citizens who return to live in the UK aren't entitled to NHS care.

    However, the NHS themselves, who are probably the people who know the truth of the matter, say here

    If you move to England permanently, or return to live in England permanently, you’re entitled to free NHS hospital treatment
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    If you move to the UK, you will not be charged for NHS hospital treatment from the date that you arrive, as long as:

    • you intend to live permanently in the UK, and
    • you’re legally entitled to live here on a permanent basis

    You’ll be expected to prove that you meet these requirements.
    Your spouse or civil partner and children under age 16 (under 19 if in full-time education) are also exempt from these charges, if they live with you permanently.
    Which seems quite clear to me
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    Ok! An Update.

    Her injection is due for tomorrow so I wanted to make sure we could get the injections required.

    Went to my local practice yesterday and registered my wife and explained the situation. Got a prescription for the anti-rabies shots and was told that I should take the prescription to Tesco as the pharmacy is open Saturday as they were sure it would need to be ordered in.

    Went to Tesco and had it ordered in for today.

    Went to collect it this morning and they wanted £69.70 for the prescription as it's a private prescription!!! I tried to contact the practice we went to yesterday but they are closed. Rang the out of of hours GP and still haven't had a call back.

    Went to the local hospital who said they did some research and the medicine isn't covered by NHS. Hence why you have to pay for it, that's why the prescription is a private one.

    The pharmacy closes at 4pm so we ended up just biting the bullet and paying £69.70. Better to be safe than sorry.

    I remembered a friend of mine was in a similar situation once (Got bitten by a dog in Thailand 2 days before leaving) and they said they were told to contact the Health Protection Agency as they can give rabies vaccine for free.

    After speaking to a very helpful lady there, she said that all hospitals/practices should contact Heartlands Hospital (Birmingham) who will then order the rabies vaccine for free and that is the protocol they should follow.

    She suggests speaking to local practice when they open Monday and writing them a stern letter.

    I'm 100% killing the cat when I go back to Thailand.

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    Out of hours GP finally phoned me back and as she was bitten in Thailand then yes the injections should be standard prescription cost, but as it's the weekend and the local GP's is closed and she needs the injections ASAP it's a unfortunate situation. He said speak to the GP office on Monday and they should give a refund.

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    Just had a phone call from my local practice who said they had followed protocol and the reason we had to pay is because we told them she was an overseas visitor!

    I told them we had told them TWICE she lived in the UK and we had come into the Practice to REGISTER HER (using her Passport/Visa). Why would we register her, then tell them she's an overseas visitor?!

    The lady then said if we weren't happy with the cost of the private prescription why did we pay it and we should of shopped about. I explained to her we didn't even know it was a private prescription as they never told us.

    I then explained we had to pay it as my wife needed the injection over the weekend and they weren't contactable. I said the out of office GP and the Health Protection Agency both agreed we were due a refund. She said it had been noted on the system over the weekend that the out of hours GP had agreed this.

    I am now waiting for the manager to call us back. Fingers crossed I can get a refund.

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    Hope you get a refund mate.

    Just to add, my GP practice were quite happy to register my wife even though she was an overseas visitor.

    I originally thought that this must have been a mistake and was told as much by several people.

    However, it seems that it wasn't;
    Emergency treatment

    Regardless of how long you’re staying or your nationality, you’re entitled to free emergency NHS treatment from:

    • a primary care practice, such as a GP surgery
    • an A&E department
    • an NHS walk-in centre

    However, unless you’re exempt from charges, you’ll have to pay NHS charges if you’re:

    • admitted to hospital as an in-patient (this includes high dependency units and other emergency treatment, such as operations), or
    • registered at an outpatient clinic
    http://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1086.asp...categoryid=162

    Maybe that's where the mistake on the part of your GP surgery was made.

    Now they're trying to wriggle out of their error, hope you get it sorted and that Mrs Sawyer is suffering no ill effects from the 'soon to be pad grapow meaow' bite
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    Thanks Biff.

    Good news, just had a call back and they will refund. Wife needs to go down there tomorrow to sort it out.

    Told her she has to buy me something nice though.

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    If she's anything like my wife, she'll buy you a handbag. One that she will carry around for you!
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