Thailand-UK ประเทศไทย-สหราชอาณาจักร

Forums ฟอรั่มส์

Thanks Thanks:  3
Likes Likes:  4
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 26
  1. #1
    Forum Dinosaur ไดโนเสาร์ Linne's Avatar
    Join Date
    3 Dec 2005
    Location
    sw london/surrey
    Posts
    5,530

    Default help with back problems in LOS please

    Currently in LOS with a bad back and very unhappy. Had a bout of lower back pain some months ago and visits to the physio seemed to help.
    A long flight etc and its bad again. Pains down the legs etc. My GP had a strong view about prolonged use of Ibrobrufen and its effect on my stomach and err other issues.

    He packed me off with pure codeine and to be honest I am not sure what is worse.

    My UK friends told me to see an osteopath but my physio basically said she would not treat me at the same time and often they did similar treatments

    Does anyone have a good experience with practitioners in LOS. Where do I find these people.

  2. #2
    Forum Antiquity ของโบราณ bifftastic's Avatar
    Join Date
    10 Feb 2011
    Location
    Essex/Chiang Saen, Chiang Rai
    Posts
    4,207

    Default

    Thai massage, from a properly qualified masseuse.

    Explain the problems you are having rather than just turn up and ask for a massage, although they should be able to spot what's wrong anyway if they're any good.

    It won't get fixed on the first visit, possibly not on the second or third. But over time, it will be a lot better than taking pain killers which only mask the pain and don't do anything to address the problem.

    I had a problem with my arm/wrist (it appeared to me to be ligament strain or damage. It was extremely painful when I woke up, and would hurt like an electric shock if my arm was jarred, or pulled at all) and went to our local massage place in Chiang Saen. After about three or four visits (couple of days between visits, as recommended by the masseuse) it was much better.

    She then advised me to come back once a week for another couple of weeks.

    Sorted. Never had a problem with it since.
    "You're so unapproachable!"
    "And yet, here you are."

  3. #3
    Premium Member caller's Avatar
    Join Date
    7 Sep 2005
    Location
    Hua Hin & Bangkok
    Posts
    5,615

    Default

    Was sciatica rule out by your GP? The symptoms seem similar to mine, lower back pain, pain down the legs and woe betide I sneezed as I was walking as the pain shot straight down to my feet and then bounced back up again! I have learnt to live with it though, changed a few things and hardly notice it now.
    'Tis me

  4. #4
    Forum Dinosaur ไดโนเสาร์ Linne's Avatar
    Join Date
    3 Dec 2005
    Location
    sw london/surrey
    Posts
    5,530

    Default

    Originally it was a sciatic issue. The current physio thinks that there was originally a prolapsed disk. Years ago they did something with dextrose injections which scared the ligament and stopped in part the prolapsed disk pushing against a nerve. A x ray years ago revealed a disk with reduced thickness.
    Do they have folk in LOS who call themselves physiotherapist or osteopaths. The word massage covers many things some of which might be pleasant will not help my back pain.

    Do I need visit a hospital or clinic maybe

  5. #5
    Premium Member caller's Avatar
    Join Date
    7 Sep 2005
    Location
    Hua Hin & Bangkok
    Posts
    5,615

    Default

    Linne, I can't help, but it might help others if they know whereabouts you are in Thailand?
    'Tis me

  6. #6
    Forum Antiquity ของโบราณ bifftastic's Avatar
    Join Date
    10 Feb 2011
    Location
    Essex/Chiang Saen, Chiang Rai
    Posts
    4,207

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Linne View Post
    Do they have folk in LOS who call themselves physiotherapist or osteopaths. The word massage covers many things some of which might be pleasant will not help my back pain.
    The word massage, in your mind, may mean quite a few things. Which is why I said that they should be fully qualified. Not the kind of place where there are pretty girls calling out 'hello firework finit' but the kind of place that provides proper Thai massage. The kind that Thai people go to if they have problems like yours

    If we were to translate the phrase นวดแผนโบราณ as 'physiotherapy' would that make you feel less like you were going to a brothel?
    "You're so unapproachable!"
    "And yet, here you are."

  7. #7
    Forum Regular สมาชิกประจำ sumrit's Avatar
    Join Date
    13 Oct 2009
    Location
    Chonburi
    Posts
    864

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by caller View Post
    Linne, I can't help, but it might help others if they know whereabouts you are in Thailand?
    I was about to ask the same question.

    A (Scottish) friend of mine works in administration at the Phaya Thai hospital in Sri Racha and through him I know there's doctor who specializes in back problems and works at that hospital.


    I've suffered from cervical spondylosis and osteo arthritis in my back and neck for many years now and have taken strong codeine based painkillers, prescribed by my UK Doctor, for several years to try and control the pain.

    Apparently because it's derived from the opium poppy, codeine is one of the few drugs that is not 'freely' available in Thailand. The only way you can get them in Thailand is from a qualified doctor in a hospital so I've been advised to always keep a record of the source of the tablets I have available if questioned about them (ie: the box with the UK chemists details on it).

  8. #8
    Furniture เฟอร์นิเจอร์ ian1208's Avatar
    Join Date
    17 Sep 2002
    Location
    Between Glasgow, Thailand and beyond!
    Posts
    3,187

    Default

    I had (still have) a bad back. Always brought on from long haul flights.
    I found all the docters and such absolutly useless. Same goes for the physo.

    If it is a slipped disc there is very little you can do. Same goes for sciatica (wich is what I have caused by a slipped disc).

    I found the best cure (yes, cure) was to get some serious pain killers ( I use Tramadol 100mg) and get a good nights sleep. Thats step one. Step two, get some excersice as the painkiller effect will just about still be in your system in the morning. I ONLY take at night about an hour before bedtime and ONLY take when I have symptoms coming on.
    It may take you a few days to rid yourself of the discomfort or pain.

    I am not saying you should do this. It works for me.
    Do not have any back massage unless they are medically qualified. It could do you more damage.

    I would say that most of the medical profession would say excersice is good for a sore back so it is the pain/discomfort issue that needs delt with.

    Good luck!
    Judging others before you have met isn't a wise option.

  9. #9
    Forum Dinosaur ไดโนเสาร์ Linne's Avatar
    Join Date
    3 Dec 2005
    Location
    sw london/surrey
    Posts
    5,530

    Default

    Well thanks and I thought I was on my own. I am in Roi et and likely to be going KK soon. I brought a tens machine which helps a little.

    Biff thanks for that translation. Do you get these folk operating on their own as you do in the UK.

    Sumrit you have my deepest sympathy with that. A close friend of mine and sufferer nearly ended with a dependency problem. He ended up with on some kind of epileptic medication.

    re: myself I have had many years of relief until I lifted something a few months ago (much to my regret)

  10. #10
    Forum Regular สมาชิกประจำ sumrit's Avatar
    Join Date
    13 Oct 2009
    Location
    Chonburi
    Posts
    864

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Linne View Post
    Well thanks and I thought I was on my own. I am in Roi et and likely to be going KK soon. I brought a tens machine which helps a little.
    Roi Et is just a little bit too far from Sri Racha unfortunately. Your problem does sound a bit like sciatica though. I the early days of my back problems I was given some manipulation exercises to do, with limited success, and over the years the back has stiffened up so it's very restricted now. But I found those exercises were very good when I have sciatic problems. It's basically just twisting exercises while laying on a firm base but it works for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Linne View Post
    A close friend of mine and sufferer nearly ended with a dependency problem.
    I remember waiting to get my prescription changed at a chemist in the UK about four/five years ago when a lady asked for some 'over the counter' codeine based pain killers. They were only 2mg per tablet but the chemist insisted on explaining the risk of dependency, the side effects and how important it was to see her doctor if her problem persisted after she'd finished the pack of tablets. On no account should she buy more he told her. That was two tablets three times per day, a total of twelve mg per day.

    This concerned me because my tablets were 30mg combined with 500mg of paracetamol and, at the time, I'd been taking them for over six years. Although I tried not to take the full dose on the good days, I was taking the same two, three times a day, and sometimes more, when the pain was really bad. So he was warning somebody about 12mg and I was regularly taking 180mg of codeine and 3000mg of paracetamol every day and sometimes more.

    But when I spoke to the chemist he simply said 'when the pain is that bad we treat the pain. We only worry about dependency and side effects if or when they occur. Until then we treat the pain, just ignore what I told the lady'.

    So yes, I can fully understand why people suffer other symptoms when taking drugs long term.

  11. #11
    Forum Regular สมาชิกประจำ
    Join Date
    6 Aug 2012
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    312

    Default

    I have 3 discs that prolapse in a cyclical period, around every 2-4 months giving me horrendous sciatica and muscle spasms for around 3 weeks before it becomes more manageable with just (I say just, but still effing agony) back pain.

    I've seen the most senior back specialist in Scotland who says the same thing as every other physio I've seen:
    Stretching daily, excerise, core stability training every day, pilates / yoga and never stay static for long periods of time. Keep moving as much as possible, even through the worst period (which is easier said than done).

    ....and lots of meds as required.

    The latter is an issue in Thailand as they do not support the western codeine gravy train, but give a cocktail of others.

    To answer the OP, yes LOS recognise and do have osteopaths and chiropractors. I had an amazing guy in Chiang Rai who was qualified as a chiropractor and Thai massage. Happy days them were.

    Hope your symptoms settle soon.

  12. #12
    Forum Antiquity ของโบราณ bifftastic's Avatar
    Join Date
    10 Feb 2011
    Location
    Essex/Chiang Saen, Chiang Rai
    Posts
    4,207

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Linne View Post
    Biff thanks for that translation. Do you get these folk operating on their own as you do in the UK.
    I reckon most sizeable towns will have a massage place. Somewhere where folk go to receive therapy.

    If you want a person to come to your home and treat you there, I would suggest that you first find the right place, speak to the person who runs it, and the masseuse, and arrange with them how best to proceed.

    I would imagine there'll be a bit of prodding and pulling to see what ails you. Then they can take it from there.

    Where are you?
    "You're so unapproachable!"
    "And yet, here you are."

  13. #13
    Old Hand มือเก่า
    Join Date
    10 Aug 2005
    Location
    Chonburi
    Posts
    1,518

    Default

    I am in Kalasin (1 hour from KK, 45 from Roi-et) and a good friend of mine (French chap) is an acupuncture specialist here. I've been in trouble with my back for years since I've been here and nothing and nobody has helped in anyway. I could give you his details if you wanted to speak with him?H

    He's also a qualified masseur and I can assure you'll get no hanky panky from him!

  14. #14
    Forum Dinosaur ไดโนเสาร์ Linne's Avatar
    Join Date
    3 Dec 2005
    Location
    sw london/surrey
    Posts
    5,530

    Default

    Thanks for that and it might be useful although I tried the needle stuff and to be honest I ended up feeling worse. Send me his details I will give it a go. I have considered getting some sort of scan done whilst here in LOS as it MIGHT be cheaper and trying to convince my GP to look at some kind of intervention. The last time I tried this he stated that unless the referred pain was somewhere else in the body then forget it. Someone did mention anaesthetic epidurals.

    To be honest I thought I had problems but listening to other folk here I feel guilty almost embarrassed.

  15. #15
    Moderator GTG's Avatar
    Join Date
    13 Sep 2002
    Location
    Sunny Shields
    Posts
    7,065

    Default

    Chiropractic worked for me. Was crippled with sciatica, hobbling about like one of those old girls in the village who have spent too long in the paddies, close to cancelling our first trip back to the UK with my new son as Lek was still wiped out and I couldn't see how I could even drive, let alone cart the baby and his gear around. PE teacher I worked with pointed me to 2 Swedish brothers with a practice in Thonglor. First thing they did was send me down the road to get some X-rays done which shocked me a bit as the lower discs looked so knackered I thought only an op would suffice but I had 2 or 3 sessions there (some massage and some adjustments) and I not only survived the holiday but a few trouble-free years afterwards.

    I then had a relapse shortly before a long minibus journey to an upcountry wedding which I was dreading. A few hours before the journey I was in a bar trying to drink enough Sang Thip to dull the pain when a guy I had met recently revealed he was a chiropractor in the US and took me back to his hotel room where he straddled me and threw me around a bit! He came round to dinner a few days later and made some more adjustments which was about 12 years ago and I've had no bother since. Worth a try.

  16. #16
    Forum Dinosaur ไดโนเสาร์ Linne's Avatar
    Join Date
    3 Dec 2005
    Location
    sw london/surrey
    Posts
    5,530

    Default

    OK , thanks for the replies and I feel humble listening to other folk. I am in KK tomorrow for a few days. So I will look out for something. I will try anything once.
    Truly I am grateful for the replies. I feel like a XXXXX walking around with the wires of the tens pads hanging out of my rear end. Ibrobrufen really upset my stomach. Codeine is not much better although it does work to a point

  17. #17
    Premium Member chibasixty's Avatar
    Join Date
    18 Oct 2003
    Location
    Petchaburi- Datchet, Berkshire.
    Posts
    1,309

    Default

    I am a qualified Thai massage use to work in the gym in Thailand and here in the UK most of my clients are people who have got the problem like you and elderly age 60-90, I think you should try search for massage for health who know about anatomy they will know your back problem and I believe they will help you too.
    ชีวิตมีอะไรตั้งเยอะแยะ มีเกิด แก่ เจ็บ ตาย คล้ายๆกัน...

  18. #18
    Old Hand มือเก่า
    Join Date
    10 Aug 2005
    Location
    Chonburi
    Posts
    1,518

    Default

    Gordie I can only imagine how much pain you must have been in to follow a stranger back to his room, have him "straddle" you then throw you about!

    Linne - I've sent a PM to you with his wife's name and number. He's a top lad and knows the human body including dietary requirements. Massage or acupuncture on offer.

  19. #19
    Premium Member Gary & Nok's Avatar
    Join Date
    5 Mar 2006
    Location
    Birmingham - UK
    Posts
    13,361

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    Gordie I can only imagine how much pain you must have been in to follow a stranger back to his room, have him "straddle" you then throw you about!
    and secretly I bet he loved every minute of it
    Independence Day 31st January 2020

  20. #20
    Moderator GTG's Avatar
    Join Date
    13 Sep 2002
    Location
    Sunny Shields
    Posts
    7,065

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    Gordie I can only imagine how much pain you must have been in to follow a stranger back to his room, have him "straddle" you then throw you about!
    Nothing ventured, nothing gained, eh!

    - - - - - - - u p d a t e d - - - - - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    and secretly I bet he loved every minute of it
    After all the Sang Thip I'd drunk I was open to persuasion!
    Gordie T Geordie

Similar Threads

  1. Problems-alone-what to do
    By sopit in forum General
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 11th May 2014, 22:40
  2. You think you have problems?
    By guava in forum Off Topic Lounge
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 3rd Apr 2011, 05:23
  3. Will I have problems?
    By Ron-Tik in forum UK Visas
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 24th Nov 2008, 16:41
  4. Back to Back/Overlapping Visas
    By volvic in forum UK Visas
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 15th Mar 2007, 14:18
  5. Log in problems?
    By JamieP in forum Website / Forum Issues / The Starting Post
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 26th Jan 2007, 10:11

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •