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    Went camping again in Kanchanaburi province at the above waterfall and yes it is a National Park. I wasn't happy about it but was prepared to pay the falang price but was surprised to find I got in on my Thai driving licence at the Thai price.

    It's about an hours drive north of Erawan waterfall which itself is probably one hours drive out of town. The road to the waterfall used to be poor which is why we had not gone before but now it's really quite good. You can cross by ferry from north of Sri Sawat but it's better now on the left or west side of the lake.

    It's really quite out in the sticks here but the waterfall is one of Thailands best and possibly it's prettiest, you can swim in several of the seven tiered falls. The prettiest is level four and they don't allow it there, level five is a no no as the water has gone underground there. Best levels are one, two, three and four, the campsite and cafe is at level four and though there isn't too much there it was adequate for the three nights we were there. I'm tempted to go back in perhaps August as the rangers said the water flow was only about 30% of the rainy season average, though it was still very impressive. I would just drive for the day as there are no real resorts nearby just the National Park bungalows and stay around Kanchanaburi town. Everything else though that you may wish to do in Kanchanaburi is a long drive away as we found out on our daytrip but it was still good, the staff at Erawan wouldn't let me in at the Thai price so we didn't go in as I'd done it years ago and it's full of Russians now I'm told.

    This province is still one of my favourites and you can see why so many tourists visit.

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    heres a photo i took of a ferry while up that way

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    Hi. Daz, can you show any photo's of the Falls, i.e.taken at "low" water rate(30%)? I may go in July, is that the "rainy season" then?
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    I took that ferry too, just for the sake of it as the road is good now the waterfall side of the lake, quite scary really, little more than a raft and an engine.

    Lipboy I can't put the photos on the forum but there's tons on the web, and it will be great, I'm sure in July as its the rainy season. It was really quite good even in December pretty enough and still more than enough water to swim in. I may be able to email you a couple of photos but I'm not too good on the computer and it may take some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    Lipboy I can't put the photos on the forum...
    You could if you became a premium member for a paltry minimum of £10 (or more it's up to you) per year.

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    Erawan waterfalls 2009 before the Russian invasion






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    I don't put photos on my computer anymore as I lost several a little while ago and I'm still not sure what I did wrong. All the photos now are the wife's from her tablet and she puts them on her facebook I don't get involved.
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    Use Google Drive or Dropbox, that's even better. You can access your photos anywhere and no one can see it, but only the ones you want to share. I has more privacy than Facebook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    Went camping again in Kanchanaburi province at the above waterfall and yes it is a National Park. I wasn't happy about it but was prepared to pay the falang price but was surprised to find I got in on my Thai driving licence at the Thai price.
    I used to get away with that at the gates to Khao Yai National Park. Then, I used to show them old tickets where I'd paid 40 baht + 50 baht for the car. Although some of the gatekeepers will still let me in at the lower rate, most won't. The park's assistant manager asked me to write to the Department of National Parks in Bangkok because its they that have issued a directive that all foreigners should pay an enhanced price. She herself thought it was unfair and had had a lot of complaints. Some people simply turn around at the gate...........well I can't say I blame them.......say 4 people in the car at 400 baht a pop + the car, that's around £32 - just to enter a National Park!!

    I did write to the DNP as suggested but after a horrendous delay of about 3 months this was the predictable and totally nonsensical reply:

    Dear Philip


    Answer your email:

    1) Every year Thai people pay taxes to contribute to national
    development.
    2) Thailand's government has a policy to domestic tourism.It increases
    domestic spending.
    3) National Park Fee used to develop the park.

    So National Park Fees between Thai people and foreigner so different.

    Yours sincerely
    Dnp Wemaster

    You will note that he/she can't even spell Webmaster

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    This is something I posted on another forum but it's relevant to Flip's last post:-

    Based on nformation extracted from the Thailand Revenue Department website; http://www.rd.go.th/publish/24602.0.html 2014 Report, table on p. 94 and presented as 'Average baht/person'.

    THAILAND TAX REVENUE FISCAL YEAR 2014
    (I've assumed a 67,000,000 population, as stated in Wikipaedia)
    Average Personal Income Tax (PIT)/person = 10,620฿ p.a.
    Average VAT/person = 4,194฿ p.a.
    Average (PIT+VAT) per person = 10,620 + 4,194 = 14,814฿ p.a.

    Since the only one of those I pay on a regular basis is VAT, this equates to a VAT-liable annual spend of 14,814 / 7% = 211,628 Baht, i.e. if I spend more than 211,628 Baht p.a., I meet the average (PIT + VAT) tax payment per person in Thailand.

    I live in Thailand all year and spend much more than that every year, I reckon I more than pay my way, taxwise, in Thailand and that should be recognized by (for the purposes of this discussion) the NP authorities and any others who operate differential pricing policies based on their belief that resident foreigners don’t pay tax.

    We are a family of 2 – my wife & myself – so our ‘share’ of the (PIT +VAT) take is 29,628 Baht.

    My wife pays about 50,000 baht PIT p.a. plus her VAT share, so as a family, we pay well above the average tax payment.

    END.

    Looking at the 3 points in the reply to Flip's e-mail:-
    1) As far as I'm concerned, the tax figures above destroy the DNP's argument that Thais pay tax but I don't.
    2) Since I live in Thailand, my family - myself, Jin, stepsons & wives, grandchildren - is part of the domestic tourism they want to develop. If I didn't take them to these places, my stepsons would have no inclination to visit at all. While differential pricing policies operate at current levels of 10x Thai price, I've no inclination to take them.
    3) What park development are they talking about? Haven't been to a NP for a while but last time I went, it was still a rubbish-strewn, shabby glorified picnic site. Facilities were poor, paths not maintained, signage & information boards not very useful.

    Just another thought. The governor of TAT has suggested a 360฿ 'maintenance fee' for foreigners entering Thailand, to improve & maintain tourist attractions. How long does the average tourist come to Thailand? I've no idea but let's say 2 weeks. That 'maintenance fee' equates to 9,360฿ p.a. Compare that to the average VAT & PIT shown above. Add the VAT paid during the holiday & the foreign currency brought into Thailand by the individual tourist and I'd say, once again,the foreigner pays their way, taxwise, without differential pricing at the gates of these places.

    This subject always seems to polarise people - hope things can be said in a more civil manner here than on other forums.

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    Sorry, got my figures back-to-front:-

    Average Personal Income Tax (PIT)/person = 4,194฿ p.a.
    Average VAT/person = 10,620฿ p.a.

    VAT take about 2.5x PIT take. So what you spend is 2.5x as important to the Thai tax authorities as what you earn.


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    I think the problem with your argument is that tax should depend on your ability to pay and not be based on a poll tax as the same amount per person. It depends on your ability to pay. The rich should pay more. I would be more convinced with your argument if you presented your taxation as a percentage of income and wealth. But I also think if something has an entry charge it should be the same for all.

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    Just a couple of further comments on this:

    1. I wrote a strong reply to 'DNP wemaster' giving a lot of detail - stuff they couldn't really argue with and they didn't - no reply.

    2. Last time I was arguing at the gates, there was a Thai family behind me in a huge new (red plate) Mercedes. So I pay 450 as a single entrant with a car. They are clearly pretty well off (import tax on the merc would be over 200%) and pay less than me for the whole family.

    Now, we have to understand that Thailand does not have the tax revenue of western countries so they have to fund public spending in other ways but to expect foreigners to foot the bill is crazy. I would also question 'Wemaster's' comment about Thai people paying tax. To the best of my knowledge, the majority of the working class population pay no income tax at all.

    I have often struggled to understand Thai thinking........when a hotel is quiet, they put the prices up.......bla bla but now, according to Martins post above, they are thinking of introducing a 'maintenance fee' - the mind boggles. What is that saying? 'Don't kill the Goose that lays the golden egg'?

    They really know how to p*** people off but they just don't seem to understand it. Remember the old 500 baht departure tax? What was that about then?

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    The 500bt departure tax was incorporated into the general tax on your ticket it didn't go away now they want tourists to pay on entry and departure. You can barely get off the boat at Koh Samet and Koh Phi Phi before you are confronted with demands for money for the maintenance of the "unspoilt national park". These are islands that have been spoiled by over development and should in NO WAY be classed as a National Park.
    Flip you beat me to the comment about the killing of the "Goose that laid the golden egg". But it could be very true with other countries more available for tourism now, Vietnam springs to mind no visa charge now and looking at "The Net" Halong bay knocks spots off Phang Nga Bay, their highlands too look better than northern Thailand and of course they have a large unspoilt coastline or so I'm told.

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    Well......going purely by a glance at a map......when Burma opens up properly (if it does), that could be Thailand's biggest challenge. The map shows literally hundreds of islands off Burma's coast, I've never seen them but I'd take a stab they they are beautiful. Would this make any difference to Thailand's policies? I doubt it, if there is any real threat from Burma and tourist numbers start to dwindle, they'll probably increase their fees in the usual Thai way . Will they learn? I doubt it.

    However, more and more people are saying to me "Vietnam and Cambodia are looking attractive" - they may well be right and if I was starting out in Asia right now, I'd certainly give them a go but as someone else said in another thread, I'm too far into Thailand to start again now. The thought of learning the language, geography, culture etc. of another country at my age.......naaaa!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    The 500bt departure tax was incorporated into the general tax on your ticket it didn't go away
    Yes, I was aware of that, the point I was making was that it seemed crazy in the first place but at least they had the sense to p*** you off as you were leaving rather than entering .

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