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    I don't see why the card should specifically state "Family", what is a spouse if not a family member?

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    Flip will you tell Easyjet or should I.
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    Easyjet have always had stupid staff we were returning to Switzerland a few years ago having had a vacation in the UK. My wife was almost denied boarding as she did not have a Swiss visa despite holding a Swiss residence permit and despite having arrived from Switzerland on a previous easyjet flight. Took an hour for them to accept we were returning home and allow us on the flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melnathan View Post
    Flip will you tell Easyjet or should I.
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    Hmmmm yes, agreed. Airlines can be more awkward than the actual authorities because they get fined for letting people on board that don't have the correct documents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    I don't see why the card should specifically state "Family", what is a spouse if not a family member?
    Most EU/EEA memberstates do not grand freedom of movement rights to the foreign family member of their own nationals as per Directive 2004/38. They could if they wish but they are not keen on letting the spouse travel visa free around the EU. But for those who do the SS/ EU route the memberstates have to issue rights as per Directive 2004/38 as it's EU law.

    Or to put it simply:
    1) a Briton in the UK with a Thai spouse: they get a regular residence permit under UK immigration law. This permit does NOT allow visa free travel around the EU. But they do have the right of a free visa issued ASAP with minimum requirements and if necessary it can be obtained at the border though it's best to get the visa in advance.
    2) A Dutch person in the Netherlands with a Thai spouse: same as #1.
    3) a Dutchman living outside NL in an other EU/EEA country: they are covered by directive 2004/38 and get the special residencecard that says 'familymember of an EU/EEA" national. Allowing for visa free travel around the EU/EEA.
    4) a Briton living in the Netherlands with Thai spouse: see #3
    5) a Briton having returned from NL after having lived with the Thai spouse there. The completed the SS route. See #3

    If your residencecard does not explicitly say EU/EEA family member (as the European and various embassy visa pages clearly emphasize on aswell) : no visa free travel. Just a free visa with minimal requirements, which is best obtained in advance.

    Edit: As far as I know, Belgium is one of the few or perhaps the only EU member that gives the 'family member of an EU/EEA national" by default, even to Belgians who always lived in B and who's foreign partner immigrated to Belgium. Lucky them, traveling visa free.. but for most of us, no such luck. The EU allows discrimination against the citizens of their own state and most gladly do so. At the time this was all cooked up, getting your partner to your own country was a simple formality. And these EU rights were meant to give Europeans moving to an other memberstate atleast some protection and not too much hassle with immigration of a non EU family member. But at some point most members got immigration and vida rules more strict than directive 2004/38 and thus the SS route and unequal treatment/discrimination of EU citizens in their own country with a non EU partner came to be...
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    ok still none the wiser .rasg did you get to france if so how did it go on .can i take the misses spain with her FLM (m) visa and brp card

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    can i take the misses spain with her FLM (m) visa and brp card
    No. Not unless you manage to reach the border and speak with a border control officer and can provide him/her with your passport, her passport and marital papers plus possibly a legalized translation. So you better get a free visa in advance.

    I can't make it much more clear than that. The European website makes it all pretty easy to figure out?

    https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...y/index_en.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donutz View Post
    No. Not unless you manage to reach the border and speak with a border control officer and can provide him/her with your passport, her passport and marital papers plus possibly a legalized translation. So you better get a free visa in advance.

    I can't make it much more clear than that. The European website makes it all pretty easy to figure out?

    https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...y/index_en.htm
    yes i thought this was correct what you have put just others have said travel is possible without and would i be right in saying that fingerprints would have to be taken as well at the said embasseys ie misses would have to go to london/edinburgh to obtain this visa for spain

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    Just got a schengen visa for my Mrs last week, so we can go to Ibiza next month and it was a pretty painless process.

    You download the 3 page application form from their website and book your appointment at the embassy online (Edinburgh for us).

    Documents required: both our passports, 3 months of bank statements, marriage certificate and translation, BRP card & proof of holiday booking. Also you need to take a full set of photocopies of everything and provide a pre paid special delivery envelope.

    We got the passport back with the visa in it 9 days after attending the embassy

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    Whats with the bank statements never been asked for them. Collected Jan's passport this week as we are going on the 10 Managed to get a 6 month visa this time so we can go 2 or 3 times. However what a minefield are the prices of flights. Dont forget to go to the desk with the visa as the staff on the way to the plane need to have the boarding pass ratified with the visa.
    Only 2 weeks to go
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    So to clear this up a little the visa is free,but if you live in Manchester ,it would be better to use the services of vfs then you wouldn't have to endure a 6 hour round trip to Edinburgh/London plus the cost time/£ of that travel .The joys of living in the north west .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackem Stu View Post

    Documents required: both our passports, 3 months of bank statements, marriage certificate and translation, BRP card & proof of holiday booking. Also you need to take a full set of photocopies of everything and provide a pre paid special delivery envelope.
    Hopefully our legal eagle will see this and confirm - they should not be asking for bank statements whilst the UK is still a member of the EU.

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    Every Schengen country has its own twist on what is required. They are not meant to, but they do. For that reason some countries make it more difficult to get a Schenegen visa than others.

    Denmark is one of the more enlightened countries and also provide the visa services for Iceland.

    We provided my wife's BRP, both passports, our marriage certificates and printed screenshots of the flight and hotel bookings we were planning to make. I explained that I wasn't prepared to pay put £400+ on flight bookings before we the visa was granted. It wasn't a problem.

    In place of travel insurance (which we did get after my wife had received the visa) we both showed EHIC cards. The cards are also useful for the next FLR.

    Very surprised that they did the visa while we waited.

    The only difficulty was getting the appointment in the first place and that took three or four emails.

    None of them should ba asking for financial information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackem Stu View Post
    Just got a schengen visa for my Mrs last week, so we can go to Ibiza next month and it was a pretty painless process.

    You download the 3 page application form from their website and book your appointment at the embassy online (Edinburgh for us).

    Documents required: both our passports, 3 months of bank statements, marriage certificate and translation, BRP card & proof of holiday booking. Also you need to take a full set of photocopies of everything and provide a pre paid special delivery envelope.

    We got the passport back with the visa in it 9 days after attending the embassy
    This is good to hear for us! We got married a couple of weeks ago and I want to book up for Ibiza, for our honeymoon next year. I live in Washington, not far from you, so it's good to hear we can go to Edinburgh for our appointment, a lot better than having to travel into London.

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    Congratulations and all the best for the future. Have a good honeymoon. Play the numbers game with the flight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melteddrummer View Post
    This is good to hear for us! We got married a couple of weeks ago and I want to book up for Ibiza, for our honeymoon next year. I live in Washington, not far from you, so it's good to hear we can go to Edinburgh for our appointment, a lot better than having to travel into London.
    Any advice you need when your Mrs gets here give me a shout. I’ll point you in the right direction. Where to get Thai food etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackem Stu View Post
    Any advice you need when your Mrs gets here give me a shout. I’ll point you in the right direction. Where to get Thai food etc.
    Cheers Stu, much appreciated. She's been here twice now on VV's and has quite a few Thai friends in Washington and Gateshead areas. We usually shop for Thai food in Newcastle, Elswick but any other places would be great to know, thanks mate!

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    Like i said at the beginning of this post a nightmare ,It is okay if you live near Edinburgh or London you can easy obtain the visa required free but any where else pay VFS let them do it .
    If like me from the north west £30 is a blessing rather than travel to London or Scotland.

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