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    My Girlfriend has a criminal record. She went to prison in 2009 for 3 years. She was caught handling drug money because she fell on hard times and had 2 small 10 and 12 y/o children to look after. She is not a drug user. We have been together for 9 months.


    I want to bring her to UK in December 2018 for an 14 day holiday. I have started Visa application but as I further read about applications I read that there are 2 criteria that maybe a no no.
    1 a criminal record
    2 a breach of previous application


    My question is .....
    Will my Girlfriends application be automatically rejected ?


    Many thanks for any advice given.


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    There's always two sides the story.
    Will your G/f be rejected? I will say yes. But you may have to ask a good lawyer.

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    Here is what it says on the Government website.

    Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the UK is to be refused
    Paragraph 320(2) of the Rules states that an application should normally be refused if:-
    The person seeking entry to the United Kingdom:

    • is currently the subject of a deportation order; or
    • has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 4 years; or
    • has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of at least 12 months but less than 4 years, unless a period of 10 years has passed since the end of the sentence; or
    • has been convicted of an offence for which they have been sentenced to a period of imprisonment of less than 12 months, unless a period of 5 years has passed since the end of the sentence


    Reading this I would suggest the third bullet point would mean that she needs to wait for ten years to have passed after the date that she left prison before applying. From the information you supplied that would mean 2021 before it's worth applying.

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    Was she convicted for 3 years or was that just time served ?
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    thank you te20008

    I am now seriously thinking of asking a lawyer based on what rasg has said below.
    dave

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    Thanks rasg....that is quite a comprehensive reply and I am now lost for words and now my GF wants to cry ....and so do I ....lol

    dave

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    thanks keith ...she was sentenced to 4 years 6 months and served 2 years 10 months but rasg, above, has wrapped this up in one ....!

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    Indeed a lawyer is her only chance. As she had a sentence of more than 4 years, any application would be rejected. That applies to now, 2021 and forever.
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    The OP's original post said she had been sentenced to 3 years. Hence my last paragraph.

    A good UK immigration lawyer is needed here I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasg View Post
    The OP's original post said she had been sentenced to 3 years. Hence my last paragraph.

    A good UK immigration lawyer is needed here I think.
    It did not, it said she went to prison for three years. Length of conviction and time spent in prison are totally different.
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    Very true. Just reread it. Apologies.

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    i dont know the ins and outs of your relationship with your girlfriend, but this would set alarm bells ringing if i was to experience such a lady. how did you meet.. why is she even connected to drug dealers to be handling money.. etc etc... my wife wouldn't allow me to visit Myanmar/Burma with one of her friends because she felt her friends husband was trying to introduce me to drug traffickers..

    My wifes friend and the husband are genuine and good people but if my wife warned me of the dangers beforehand then she knows more about why the friends husband left Burma to start a good life..

    im not judging your wife in anyway, im suggesting be careful.. there is so many warning signs on trip advisor about the lengthy ways ladies will go to into tricking the farang and it may take months even years to scam you and leave you high and dry in England once they are here.

    sorry if im being harsh i come from a drug abuse background in england and am extremely street wise.

    on my first holiday i booked last year September 2017 i was heading out with the intention of going all the main strip bars or gogo bars to lets say sleep with as many women as i could in 3 days... the tripadvisor warnings i read told me fk it im staying in my hotel...3 days for safety lol

    fortunately i met my wife through a penpal app called Fuzd and after many hours chatting and asking questions on here we have been married and she is a simple lady with simple life from chiang rai..

    most of my friends thought she may be a scammer but it turns out she really is a nice lady..

    i even googled what makes a bad thai lady .. 9 signs to watch out for came up and my wife checked none of them boxes...

    all we want for people on here is to be safe and marry a nice lady without experiencing the troubles that so many farang face when it comes to thai women.

    more often not its not even the thai women who are the problem it can be the bigger picture..

    if you do stay with the lady and find a good lawyer i wish you the best of luck in getting her to the UK

    i hope you dont find what im saying is offensive to you mate

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    Well Tasle your post made interesting/amusing reading and I'm sure your heart is in the right place.

    If your first trip to Thailand was only nine months ago you really do not know the country well enough to really understand it. Compared to the UK it really is a different world.

    Like all countries we have good and bad people. We also have good people who do bad things because of circumstances, and the usual one is poverty. I think it's true to say that most mothers will do whatever is necessary to take care of their children, any mother that wouldn't is a bad mother and doesn't deserve to have them. In Thailand if a poor family doesn't have enough money or a house for example the government will not bail them out. Unlike many British single mums who end up with a council house and weekly social security payments. Over here they could end up living on the streets starving. There are few ways that many mothers in that situation can make enough money to support their family, the first is the world's oldest profession, and the second is working within the illegal drugs trade. So my point is that this lady did what she did to put food in her children's stomachs and a roof above their heads. She also paid the price and served her time.

    Out of interest I'd love to know what Google says are the "9 signs" of what makes a "bad Thai lady" and would bet these could be applied to any lady in any country.

    I hope you are not offended when I say your experience is too limited to form any kind of accurate opinion of Thailand and Thais in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tasle283 View Post
    fortunately i met my wife through a penpal app called Fuzd and after many hours chatting and asking questions on here we have been married and she is a simple lady with simple life from chiang rai..
    Just out courtesy, what part of chiang rai is your wife from,?
    Did you know that most people from burma/Myanmar travel from their towns and into the cities like chiang rai to sell drugs etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James HKT View Post

    Out of interest I'd love to know what Google says are the "9 signs" of what makes a "bad Thai lady" and would bet these could be applied to any lady in any country.
    1. Don't fall in love with Pattaya.
    2. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a quick and a temper
    3. Don't fall in love with someone who's greedy
    4. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a gambling and a Alcohol problem.

    Well that's 4.


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    Quote Originally Posted by te2008 View Post
    1. Don't fall in love with Pattaya.
    2. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a quick and a temper
    3. Don't fall in love with someone who's greedy
    4. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a gambling and a Alcohol problem.

    Well that's 4.


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    well 2,3, and 4 sound like my first wife and she wasnt thail

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    Quote Originally Posted by te2008 View Post
    1. Don't fall in love with Pattaya.
    2. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a quick and a temper
    3. Don't fall in love with someone who's greedy
    4. Don't fall in love with someone who's got a gambling and a Alcohol problem.

    Well that's 4.


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    Brilliant.

    With regard to the first rule are Patong, Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza all ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James HKT View Post
    Brilliant.

    With regard to the first rule are Patong, Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza all ok?
    You would need to ask Tasle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daabren View Post
    thank you te20008

    I am now seriously thinking of asking a lawyer based on what rasg has said below.
    dave

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    Thanks rasg....that is quite a comprehensive reply and I am now lost for words and now my GF wants to cry ....and so do I ....lol

    dave

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    thanks keith ...she was sentenced to 4 years 6 months and served 2 years 10 months but rasg, above, has wrapped this up in one ....!
    Let us know what your lawyer saids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    well 2,3, and 4 sound like my first wife and she wasnt thail
    So if she's not Thai, then what part of the world is she from?

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    Probably a Westerner but I have no doubt that Samsung will fill you in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by te2008 View Post
    You would need to ask Tasle.

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    Haha soi Cowboy and nana plaza all are included in first rule lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by te2008 View Post
    Just out courtesy, what part of chiang rai is your wife from,?
    Did you know that most people from burma/Myanmar travel from their towns and into the cities like chiang rai to sell drugs etc.

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    she is from Mae Salong and yes i know the Burma people travel through to distribute drugs.. thats why there is so many roadblocks randomly pop up. my wife explained for Burmese drug traffickers mainly.

    they stop our car and see farang and we just get waved onwards

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    Quote Originally Posted by James HKT View Post
    Well Tasle your post made interesting/amusing reading and I'm sure your heart is in the right place.

    If your first trip to Thailand was only nine months ago you really do not know the country well enough to really understand it. Compared to the UK it really is a different world.
    hi yes mate no offence taken but i can see how poverty is affecting local people and families. i entered Thailand with open eyes and my wife shown me enough of the, lets just say off the beaten track places..

    Even in Bangkok we was in a taxi and passed this real poverty shanty town by a stagnant section of river and that was my first experience of real poverty.

    Before that we took one of the canal barge rides and went down some back river passages and boy was i shocked at that experience, these people had nothing and were probably only surviving from the catfish i could see them all fishing for. whereas the place by the stinking stagnant water was just shocking, they truly had nothing!, only a poor built shack of a home constructed from tin without proper sanitation etc etc..i was more shocked because we had just passed quite a wealthy district of Bangkok..

    i've seen the real back streets of Naples with my stepdad so am fully aware of what people "do" to survive. i don't come from a wealthy upbringing myself and lets just say i'm streetwise for laymans terms..

    all i am saying is the signs are there and if you choose to follow your heart rather than your gut then be prepared for some serious pitfalls in life. Also reading advice from people who've been living in Thailand or visiting for at least 20 years is enough to go on.... when it comes to advice i'm just sharing too which is what we are all here for.
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