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    Without going into the details, I'm soon to lose a dear friend through prostrate cancer. He, like many of us men, buried his head in the sand when it came to his health. It was while he was back in the UK recently, that he decided to get himself checked. This, apparently after seeing an advert for men over 50 to get checked. Had he gone for this check up a couple of years ago, he would have stood a far better chance of survival. Unfortunatley it's to late for him as the cancer has now spread into his bones. He had no symptoms that something was wrong. It's slowly becoming the number one killer of men. But, if caught early, it is one of the more treatable. If you're over 50, get yourself checked. It's a simple blood test.
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    Having the disease myself I cannot agree more but I would add:

    Many GP's in the UK will resist requests for a PSA test (a blood test looking for the level of Prostate Specific Antigens). Their reasoning is because some people will have raised levels and turn out not to have the disease and others may have low levels but actually have it. Someone producing a high level will then go on to have a biopsy to either confirm cancer is present or all is clear. The biopsy carries a low but significant risk of infection. The PSA test is not 100% accurate and may lead to people having biopsies that produce negative results - this, and I believe the cost is the reason some GP's resist testing unless a number of symptoms exist.

    There has been a lot of hype about a new MRI scan that can indicate the existance of cancer if a PSA test points to a possibilty of tumours but as far as I know, oncologists still don't rely on that and confirm by biopsy as well. Until a more reliable test is found, PSA tests remain all we have and I for one wish PSA screening was the norm for all men over 50.

    I will be blunt here and explain exactly why I want to see such screening:

    I was diagnosed a little over 3 years ago after a visit to my doctors for a general check up - I mentioned a couple of symptoms and my doctor raised her eyebrows and took some blood for testing. I had not even heard about Prostate cancer before that day. My PSA came back as a massive 189 against a norm of 3 for someone my age. The subsequent investigations revealed that the disease was 'aggressive and locally advanced'. The was a strong suspicion that 2 nearby lymph nodes were also affected, which for me is the biggest worry because all the body's lymph nodes are connected and act as a motorway to spread the disease to other parts. My Oncologist said I was just within the criteria to be given potentially curative treatment - just a little further on and I would only have been offered treatments to slow the disease down. The Prostate has 2 lobes - one of mine was 100% tumour, the other 60% and the tumour had boken through the capsule slightly.

    I had 6 months of Hormone Therapy to try to shrink the tumours before having 35 days of Radio Therapy - surgery was considered to carry too much risk. The Hormone Therapy can also go on for up to 3 years following the main treatment. For personal reasons I opted to finish the Hormone Therapy after 2 years and my PSA level is now starting to rise again. At the moment I don't know if its just rising back to a normal level or if the disease is still present. There is no further curative treatment for me as I've had the maximum safe amount of radiation. I worry every time I have my PSA tested and the disease will hang over me for the rest of my life.

    Do you want that or are you prepared to get tested? Badger your GP if they are resistant - PSA testing may not be 100% accurate but for the moment, its all we've got. Early detection has very good outcomes.

    I think one reason that a lot of men don't get tested is the fear of impotence which can occur with treatment. Yes, there is a risk - I was 'out of action' for a while but I'm pleased to say I'm firing on all cylinders now. From what I can tell the best treatment is actually surgery to remove the Prostate gland if that is possible. Again, early detection is the best route as the less tumour there is, the more chance there is that 'nerve sparing surgery' can be carried out - if the nerves are left in place there is a higher chance of retaining your potence.

    If I was 50 again and knew what I know now, I would insist on a test every year.

    Its your choice - the alternative is a very slow and painful death if you do get Prostate Cancer. Within the Prostate, the disease does not kill you - that comes with its progression to your bones, lungs and brain!

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    Sorry to hear that news Flip. My friend had no warning, in fact he told me he still feels completely normal!!
    He came back to Thailand for 10 days to say his goodbyes, all very sad. I lost my father to Prostrate cancer so I'm at a higher risk. I have the PSA test done every March. As mentioned, catch it early and you have a great chance of survival. Any member on here over 50, get it checked.
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    I too had a big scare less than two years ago after a higher than normal PSA test. It was 5.9. I didn’t have the usual symptoms that usually go with an enlarged prostate because it wasn't that enlarged.

    For those who don't know. When you are in your 20s your prostate is about the size of a walnut. It gradually gets bigger as you get older. It can be as large as a grapefruit. The big problem is that your prostate is the same shape as a doughnut and your urethra (pee tube) runs through the middle of it...

    I went for an MRI followed by a perineal biopsy which has a much smaller risk of infection and I was clear.

    I went for a further enhanced MRI back in May and they pronounced me clear and ok a day or so later.

    I have a blood test every six months for PSAs and chloresterol but I also take a few supplements that will helps if you have an enlarged prostate.

    Lots of new prostate treatments coming over the next year or so. The one I was reading about last week was a steam gun that shrivels it and makes it smaller. It's a five minute treatment that is provng to be very successful. Just been approved for use by the NHS.

    If you are over 45 and getting up for the loo more than once a night go and see your doctor. If it hurts peeing or goes in unexpected directions when you pee, go and see your doctor. If your pee stream is slower than it was or it takes ages before you can pee, go and see your doctor. There is nothing embarrassing about it at all.

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    I've read that cranberries can help fight infection.
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    Is you take curcurmin make sure you buy the tablets that include bioperine. It helps absorption. I also drink a teaspoon of organic black cumin seed oil each day but you can just take a capsule. Also the same with pumpkin seed oil.

    Sawtooth palmetto, zinc, selenium, beta sisterol, pygeum, stinging nettle tea, Rye grass pollen extract, pumpkin seeds and lycopene are others that can help a lot.

    In Europe the doctors prescribe herbal supplements that help an enlarged prostate.

    You can buy most of it on Amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy Shrimper View Post
    My friend had no warning, in fact he told me he still feels completely normal!!
    Yes, even though I was diagnosed as 'advanced' I have never felt ill at all. If the disease stayed in your prostate, I doubt it could kill you but as it is, its the secondaries that cause the problems.

    The enhanced MRI that rasg mentions above is supposed to be a better indictation but confirmation would still be done by a biopsy. Whilst rasg is right to mention the symptoms of getting up in the night for a pee etc. - I met a guy at the clinic last year who'd never had any symptoms whatsoever. His disease was discovered because he had low level but persistent pain in his lower back - that turned out to be prostate cancer that had spread to his spine! At that stage there is no cure and the last time I saw him he was on Hormone Therapy and was receiving Chemo - both of those will extend his life but they won't cure it.

    Although Prostate Cancer can occur in younger men, those 50+ are most at risk so if I had my chance again I would insist on a PSA test at least once a year from 50 onwards.

    Men just don't seem to realise how serious the risk is - the facts are that 1 in every 8 of you will get Prostate Cancer. If you're in a high risk group such as black men and those who have a family history of the disease that falls to 1 in 4!

    Those of you in Thailand - you can get a PSA test done at a number of clinics for around £30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip View Post
    Those of you in Thailand - you can get a PSA test done at a number of clinics for around £30.
    I paid 1200 baht back in March at a local clinic. Took the blood test in the morning and emailed the result back late afternoon.
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