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    Quote Originally Posted by tudorowen1 View Post
    "I notice my question keeps being ignored: why should the UK taxpayer pay for the medical treatment of foreigners who choose to come here?"

    These foreigners as you call them are spouses generally of British citizens and they are usually brought here to settle by their husbands.

    By the same argument why should my taxes pay for all the transport infrastructure being put into the South East of England when the North gets didly squat..?
    I'm not ignoring it because I agree with you...

    I'm not sure that the biggest percentage of them are the spouses of British Citizens either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tudorowen1 View Post
    "I notice my question keeps being ignored: why should the UK taxpayer pay for the medical treatment of foreigners who choose to come here?"

    These foreigners as you call them are spouses generally of British citizens and they are usually brought here to settle by their husbands...
    What would you prefer me to call foreign citizens who choose to come and settle in the UK? Whether they arrive to join a British spouse or not does not detract from the fact that they should contribute for their access to the NHS. Just because we have decided to marry a foreign national doesn’t mean we shouldn’t pay our way for the services our spouses have access to when they arrive here. Why should we expect the UK taxpayer to subsidise our decision to marry a foreign citizen?
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    We don't expect the UK taxpayer to subsidise our Non Eu foreign spouses..We are already grossly overcharged when we pay for the Settlement visa to the tune of 90 per cent of the cost of the visa going to the coffers of the Government..This NHS surcharge has already brought in £600 million pounds I have read..You are not telling me non EU immigrants who have paid the NHS surcharge have used that amount of NHS resources?

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    Personally, I don’t have a problem with the rise, I do think that we should be able to pay it in stages though, as for some people(myself included), £1200 is a fair bit to fork I out on top of the visa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tudorowen1 View Post
    ...You are not telling me non EU immigrants who have paid the NHS surcharge have used that amount of NHS resources?
    I am not telling you that, but the Government is telling us it has spent more than that:

    “The changes better reflect the cost to the NHS of treating those who pay the surcharge, as the DHSC estimates that the NHS spends £470 on average per person per year on treating those required to pay the surcharge.”

    See the OP.
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    when you have used a hospital in the USA and been chased for payment even after your insurers have paid the invoice then you know how good the NHS is. (I failed to realise the doctor and hospital have 2 separate payments)
    Believe me i was treated for 4 hours for an allergy (Epipen used) and the cost was about $2000.
    The NHS is amazing and non British citizens should pay and maybe get discount if they have paid NI for a certain period of time.
    Most are not spouses of British citizens they are economic migrants, you only have to take a Sunday evening Wizz air flight back from Poland to realise that. When i travel i always have either my company insurance or private travel insurance for holidays. Why do foreigners not do that here? When my wife visited in 2013 for a few months we had insurance for her. Too many people moan about paying yet complain when our system is abused.
    I was repairing a system at a well know London hospital mid week at a cost of £200 p/h from my employer. I was on site 6 hours and they pay a travel zone charge too. Latest technology is expensive. Fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingy View Post
    When i travel i always have either my company insurance or private travel insurance for holidays. Why do foreigners not do that here?
    Because this country has always been soft touch and they know that the chances of getting a bill are small if they have an accident or they are sick.

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    Tobias - So if my wife works in the next three years will she get her NHS payment refunded or are you ok about her having to pay twice?

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    No she won’t get it back it will paying for all the ones who don’t pay when they are brought here to keep


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    A few years of payments won't cover anything.
    The NHS was set up after WWII to treat people who would pay in with N.I contributions over their working life to cover them when they got sick.
    Treatment can costs tens of thousands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Tobias - So if my wife works in the next three years will she get her NHS payment refunded or are you ok about her having to pay twice?
    How exactly is she paying twice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Tobias - So if my wife works in the next three years will she get her NHS payment refunded or are you ok about her having to pay twice?
    Whinge and whine all you like, it's happening, so deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I notice my question keeps being ignored: why should the UK taxpayer pay for the medical treatment of foreigners who choose to come here?
    The answer to that Mr T is that they should not. Simple.

    But what I think gets everyone's back up is that not ALL foreigners pay (in whatever way) for their treatment.
    If the playing field was level for ALL, then I think this argument goes away.

    How many times have we heard about "health tourists" coming her, e.g arrive in the UK having somehow travelled while very pregnant, having multiple babies, and then disappearing back home without paying a penny in to the NHS.

    If the Government clamped down on all of these NHS fee dodgers then people would have less of an argument about having to pay themselves.

    I see no reason at all that the NHS could not enforce this.
    OK if you go to the hospital for something, they can treat you with minimal care to make sure your life is not threatened, but until such time as you can prove you have insurance then further treatment is withheld, AND they keep your passport until all your bills are paid.

    The problem with many things in this country is that rules and laws are not enforced and if they were then many things could be solved.
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    In my opinion, it's not the foreigners that come to the UK that are the biggest drain, we need to look closer to home. The amount of British families that don't work and bleed the system dry is the biggest problem. I know whole families in my area that have never worked and never will, they also teach their kids how to play the system too, this is what is needed to change before anything else!

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    What I object to ,and I think the majority of people on this forum , is the way the cost of the surcharge has increased since its inception in 2015. These huge percentage rises coupled with the ridiculous cost of Spouse visas and FLR(M) visas are just a money making scheme for HM Government.They may not be a burden to anyone earning over £30000 or £40000 p.a but they are if you earn or receive just above the minimum income of £18600.. It seems to me to be a stealth way of raising that threshold ...

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    There is no IHS surcharge in the case of a non-EU spouse of an EU/EEA citizen who is exercising his/her treaty rights to reside in the UK under the Freedom of Movement Directive 2004/38/EC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tudorowen1 View Post
    What I object to ,and I think the majority of people on this forum , is the way the cost of the surcharge has increased since its inception in 2015 ...
    And what I object to is subsidising those foreign nationals who choose to make the UK their home. I welcome any foreign national to our wonderful country provided they come with good intention and they do not expect the UK taxpayer to subsidise their decision to come here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tudorowen1 View Post
    What I object to ,and I think the majority of people on this forum .
    what make you think you speak for the majority of forum members

    Go live in Europe and you will pay for healthcare and in most countries it a sight more expensive than the UK including the surcharge.
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    I didn't say I spoke for the majority of members on this forum..I said I think I do because generally speaking no one in their right mind would welcome above inflation percentage rises each year in the cost of spouse visas and IHS charges...(.unless of course you want to implement a hostile immigration policy like Mrs. May once envisaged)

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    Visa fees have nothing at all to do with it. This surcharge is a sum payable by foreign nationals who choose to come to the UK to reside, the payment grants the immigrant access to healthcare without cost at the point of delivery. The surcharge does not even cover the full cost to the NHS for treating these people.

    £400 per year is an absolute bargain, it is only right that those choosing to come to the UK pay the costs of and associated with their residency here, it cannot be right to expect the UK taxpayer to pay for or subsidise a foreign citizen's choice to live here - and that must include the non-British spouses of UK citizens.
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