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    I thought robert d wrote that?

    If you buy the visa at immigration they sort out the bank, i already had Bangkok bank opened in Pattaya years ago, they put the 800,000 in/out and sorted, keep your money out of the country as the rate is so bad right now, Oh it's what immigration want really they make more money, the silly signs that are up "good guys in bad guys out" what a load of crap that is, as far as i see it they are creaming it more so now, my 3rd visa ran out in June this year and when i'm back in Jan i'll buy another simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by James HKT View Post
    If you are serious about living here then it makes sense to try to learn the language so I suggest you go to a language school to learn basic Thai. They will arrange an Education Visa (Ed) and it can be for one year.
    Whether you are living in UK or elsewhere there is a Thai language course called Thai-Style https://www.learnthaistyle.com/learning-options, started by a Thai lady living in the UK. I thought I would share it as I have benefitted from it immensely.

    There is a variety of options, "basic speak Thai", "speak every-day Thai", and "read and write Thai", through to corporate packages. There is a one off registration fees (I went for the Read/Write course at £139) and you get excellent printed material and audio files to keep for life. You sign up with a native Thai teacher, either locally or via Skype, for £12 an hour in the UK (£15 if you're in Thailand). It's less impersonal than a classroom or distance learning option although maybe not for everybody

    Personally I went for face to face tuition with a local teacher. The Thai teachers all have excellent English, and they can give insight into Thai language and culture that no westerner who's lived out there for a lifetime of Sundays would ever know. All I'm saying is that the course is well structured, has been well thought out. I've been learning for 20 months, my teacher has finished her university in the UK and moved back to Bangkok now but she is now a friend of my wife and myself and has help my Thai speaking immeasurably. As I've benefited
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    OP was taking about obtaining a visa to live in Thailand and the necessity of having 800,000 in the bank. James was pointing out the benefits of learning Thai and that you could obtain an Education visa to learn Thai in Thailand for 1 year.
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    Hi all, thank you for your replys, following up on James HKT suggestion, I have made enquiries at khon kaen university regarding learning Thai as a foreigner, they do courses and I'm considering the options to use this way of getting an ED visa to study, the bonus is of course I will learn Thai language and no need to put out 800,000 baht into my bank account.
    once again many thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    OP was taking about obtaining a visa to live in Thailand and the necessity of having 800,000 in the bank. James was pointing out the benefits of learning Thai and that you could obtain an Education visa to learn Thai in Thailand for 1 year.
    Thank you for correcting me, I do read English, as well as a little bit of Thai. I replied to "If you are serious about living here then it makes sense to try to learn the language". An Education Visa is a great idea, also, if like me anyone wanted to get a head start learning Thai before setting off for Thailand, I just shared (what I have found to be) a very successful (according to my wife) learning resource.
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    It will be very helpful to learn Thai or some Thai before coming here, but check to make sure the teacher is qualified or at the very minimum speaks Thai correctly. Depending on their background and level of education many Thais spell incorrectly and, for example, use incorrect qualifiers, sometimes slang or mix Esan / Cambodian in with Thai. For example many Farangs pick up what we call "bar Thai" which is a combination of all of the above and then find it very difficult to learn the language correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James HKT View Post
    Farangs .
    Do you need to use such a backward word? can't you say foreigner? isn't that the word that you would use (foreigner) if you never knew about Thailand? i really hate the way foreigners use this word to describe themselves, All Asians are gooks right? Will you call all of them Gooks? no you won't but you allow this ❇❇❇❇ word into your vocabulary! SAD.

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    An off-topic discussion that continued in this thread about the word 'farang' has now been promoted to its own thread here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocala View Post
    Do you need to use such a backward word? can't you say foreigner? isn't that the word that you would use (foreigner) if you never knew about Thailand? i really hate the way foreigners use this word to describe themselves, All Asians are gooks right? Will you call all of them Gooks? no you won't but you allow this ❇❇❇❇ word into your vocabulary! SAD.
    He was trying to impress on the rest of us that he's embedded in Thai life, it's all about one-upmanship and ego, this forum is dripping with both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocala View Post
    This forum is part of the real Thailand right? so this is what really happens in Thailand, rose tints off.
    Yes you are right but should we be promoting these issues no let the law take care of these issues rather than promoting them .If you was trying to sell a city you wouldnt say 100 gun incidents 500 muggings this is how you get away with it .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEL2112UK View Post
    He was trying to impress on the rest of us that he's embedded in Thai life, it's all about one-upmanship and ego, this forum is dripping with both.
    I'm not interested in impressing the rest of you or any of you. The fact is apart from one or two members that are my personal friends in the real world, I couldn't care less about anyone here.

    However I have lived in Thailand for a long time, I am as you say embedded in Thai life, not as a "bar stool expert", nor as a bored retiree, but as the owner of a successful business that deals with the Thai establishment with a mutual respect that neither of the groups I named enjoys. Also due to my work and professional Thai family I probably have access to sections of Thai society that many foreigners wouldn't.

    This is nothing about "one upmanship" or "ego", simply put I am genuinely more experienced in Thai matters than most members here and you should view this as a resource to this forum rather than ridicule me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    Yes you are right but should we be promoting these issues no let the law take care of these issues rather than promoting them .If you was trying to sell a city you wouldnt say 100 gun incidents 500 muggings this is how you get away with it .
    Quite so. It doesn't really affect members in the UK but if the forum promotes illegal activity and a complaint is made it could be blocked here under the Computer Crimes laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEL2112UK View Post
    He was trying to impress on the rest of us that he's embedded in Thai life, it's all about one-upmanship and ego, this forum is dripping with both.
    That's a very harsh and in my opinion, incorrect statement.

    I know plenty of people living in Thailand who don't get involved in Thai life very much - not that there's anything wrong with that. But I also know one or two that live in Thailand who do know what they are talking about - and those are the ones that as you put it, are 'embedded in Thai life'. To run a succesful business of the type that James runs there has to be close interaction with both Thai professionals and government departments.

    I can tell you that James's advice on Thai language above is spot on - some time ago I found that much of what I'd learned was wrong and was little more than slang picked up in bars and from locals. It is very difficult as he says, to learn the language correctly after that. Quite often I would use phrases that were little more than slang - accepted between locals but laughed at when talking to a Thai.

    Plenty of people live in Thailand and never really learn anything because that's how they want it. They are usually married and leave all matters Thai to their wife. Others either want to learn or have to because they are single or run a business. I for example, have a degree of knowledge on certain matters because I have had dealings in those particular subjects and pass that on to others who ask a question on something I know about. Its nothing to do with ego.

    I'm pretty sure that when James first arrived in Thailand he had a lot to learn and clearly has so is simply passing that knowledge on. When I first joined this forum 15 years ago I was full of questions and greatly appreciated the help I was given. These days I find I can answer more questions than I ask and long may that continue.

    That said, there are some here that have lived or are living in Thailand and clearly had a narrow field of Thai life which they take as the norm but they are pretty easy to spot and may well be simply trying to impress. But don't think this forum is 'dripping' with people like that - its not. On the whole the advice given here is spot on and when its not, others with more in depth knowledge point it out.

    Where else would I or any other member go to get their questions answered if not here? People freely helping others by passing on their knowledge is what this forum is about.

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    Thanks Flip, that's a really nice post.

    When I first came here as a tourist some twenty years ago I knew nothing as you say. When I moved here ten years ago I thought I spoke excellent Thai and apart from my wife's family had never come into contact with any Thais outside the bars and massage shops. When I went to school I had daily one on one lessons for around a year learning to speak, read and write. As someone who left school some 20 odd years earlier I found it very hard going. I also found that the excellent Thai that I thought I was speaking was a combination of very grammatically incorrect basic Thai, slang, with a dash of Esan. What it showed Thais, who just smiled and said nothing, was exactly where I had learned the language, the kind of places I frequented, and the social group I mixed with. There's not really a problem with any of that, but the point is I thought I was amazing and in reality I was a bit of a joke.

    Currently as Flip says I deal with everyone from a bar/massage girls to Thai Lawyers, business people, board members of huge Thai client companies and on occasion local politicians. As an amusing twist most of that list were educated in the UK, USA and Australia and not only speak perfect English, but prefer to speak to me in my mother tongue to both practice, and no doubt make the point that they can. It doesn't then stop them speaking to each other in Thai in the belief that I can't understand them. Very useful really!

    Because I am "embedded" in Thai society and spend much of my time with Thais socially and professionally I'm afraid that I look at many issues from the Thai viewpoint rather than the western view which no doubt comes out in my posts and annoys some members. For example I am disgusted by seeing foreign men walking around drunk and semi naked outside, or even worse inside. Interestingly enough we are not bothered by seeing guys with girls half or quarter their ages on their arms, just a lady doing a job and taking care of her family. The funny thing is that most western tourists consider themselves superior to their Thai hosts, but the people here think the complete opposite and consider the tourists as drunk hooligan cash cows to be milked.

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