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    Hi everyone
    Just had my wifes Thai friend on video call from Vienna in tears.
    She had booked flights to Thailand from MAN via Frankfurt, change to Vienna and then onto Bkk
    The return is Bkk to Vienna and then MAN. 2 Thai Nationals inc the son and her British husband.
    She bought the tickets from an online travel agent. Never advised on visas she says.
    They got through FRA ok but Austria say they do not have a transit visa.
    Taking a quick google around i see as they are travelling with her husband they don't require one for Austria but Germany does so i don't know how they managed to transfer their.
    Now Austria have let them travel onward but say they cannot re-enter on the return journey.
    I told them to seek advice at the Austrian consulate in Pattaya or contact the Embassy in BKK to get the ok to travel home in January. Other option is to buy another ticket.
    Anyone taken the route via Vienna from the UK? Did you have any Transit visas?
    Any thoughts on this guys?
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    I would say whoever told her she needed a transit visa is wrong, Thailand is not listed as a country requiring a transit visa for Austria and she is married to a British and therefore by default E.U citizen.

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    The airline shouldnt have let them board with out the correct visas if thats the case .

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    Probably too late now as the original post was nearly 14 hours ago, but if anyone can help surely its these

    Austrian Embassy London

    18 Belgrave Mews West
    London SW1X 8HU
    Tel: (+44/20) 7344 3250
    We'll never win the Premier League,
    We'll never win a Cup,
    We'll still follow MAN UNITED !!

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    Looks like they are in Thailand now as Austria let them proceed. couldnt have been a huge problem if they agreed to that.

    I have looked at the TIMATIC information and from what I can see they would have encountered a problem in Germany.

    I am not an immigration expert but do not see why they will be unable to return via Vienna as long as they do not go via another Shengen country.
    May be a good idea if possible to speak to the Austrian consulate in BKK

    This is the outbound visa rules then the return, sorry its a bit long winded, the IATA travel site is very good and is the same info but laid out a bit better.

    https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/

    TIMATIC-3 / 12DEC18 / 1455 UTC
    NATIONAL THAILAND (TH) /RESIDENCE UNITED KINGDOM (GB)
    TRANSIT GERMANY (DE) /TRANSIT AUSTRIA (AT)
    DESTINATION THAILAND (TH)
    ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
    VISA TRANSIT GERMANY (DE)
    ...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH A FAMILY MEMBER
    RESIDENCE CARD ISSUED BY UNITED KINGDOM. THE CARD MUST
    >TIDFT/DE/VI/VS/ID52059
    TWOV (TRANSIT WITHOUT VISA):
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH
    FRANKFURT (FRA) OR MUNICH (MUC), ARRIVING FROM A NON-SCHENGEN
    MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A FLIGHT
    WITHIN 24 HOURS TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A SCHENGEN
    MEMBER STATE. THEY MUST:
    - STAY IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT AREA OF THE AIRPORT, AND
    - HAVE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THEIR NEXT DESTINATION.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH
    HAMBURG (HAM), ARRIVING FROM A NON-SCHENGEN
    MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A FLIGHT
    BETWEEN 04:30 AND 23:30 TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A
    SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE. THEY MUST:
    - STAY IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT AREA OF THE AIRPORT, AND
    - HAVE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THEIR NEXT DESTINATION.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASS ENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH
    DUSSELDORF (DUS), ARRIVING FROM A NON-SCHENGEN
    MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A FLIGHT
    BETWEEN 06:00 AND 21:00 TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A
    SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE. THEY MUST:
    - STAY IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT AREA OF THE AIRPORT, AND
    - HAVE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THEIR NEXT DESTINATION.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH BERLIN
    (TXL), ARRIVING FROM A NON-SCHENGEN
    MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A FLIGHT
    BETWEEN 06:00 AND 23:00 TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A
    SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE.

    VISA TRANSIT AUSTRIA (AT)
    ...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH A FAMILY MEMBER
    RESIDENCE CARD ISSUED BY UNITED KINGDOM. THE CARD MUST
    TWOV (TRANSIT WITHOUT VISA):
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS ARRIVING FROM A
    NON-SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A
    FLIGHT TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A SCHENGEN MEMBER
    STATE. THEY MUST:
    - STAY IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT AREA OF THE AIRPORT, AND
    - HAVE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THE NEXT DESTINATION.
    WARNING:
    - PASSENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH TWO AIRPORTS IN THE SCHENGEN
    AREA MUST COMPLY WITH ENTRY REGULATIONS OF THE FIRST
    SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE.

    Returning to MAN

    TIMATIC-3 / 12DEC18 / 1500 UTC
    NATIONAL THAILAND (TH) /RESIDENCE UNITED KINGDOM (GB)
    TRANSIT AUSTRIA (AT)
    DESTINATION UNITED KINGDOM (GB)
    ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
    VISA TRANSIT AUSTRIA (AT)
    ...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH A FAMILY MEMBER
    RESIDENCE CARD ISSUED BY UNITED KINGDOM. THE CARD MUST
    >TIDFT/AT/VI/VS/ID51921
    TWOV (TRANSIT WITHOUT VISA):
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS ARRIVING FROM A
    NON-SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE WITH A CONFIRMED ONWARD TICKET FOR A
    FLIGHT TO A THIRD COUNTRY WHICH IS NOT A SCHENGEN MEMBER
    STATE. THEY MUST:
    - STAY IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSIT AREA OF THE AIRPORT, AND
    - HAVE DOCUMENTS REQUIRED FOR THE NEXT DESTINATION.
    WARNING:
    - PASSENGERS TRANSITING THROUGH TWO AIRPORTS IN THE SCHENGEN
    AREA MUST COMPLY WITH ENTRY REGULATIONS OF THE FIRST
    SCHENGEN MEMBER STATE.
    VISA DESTINATION UNITED KINGDOM (GB)
    ...... NORMAL PASSPORTS ONLY ......
    PASSPORT REQUIRED.
    - PASSPORTS AND OTHER DOCUMENTS ACCEPTED FOR ENTRY ISSUED TO
    RESIDENTS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM MUST BE VALID ON ARRIVAL.
    PASSPORT EXEMPTIONS:
    - NATIONALS OF THAILAND WITH A TEMPORARY PASSPORT.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH A BIOMETRIC
    RESIDENCE PERMIT (WITH AN ELECTRONIC CHIP SYMBOL) ISSUED BY
    THE UNITED KINGDOM IF:
    - THE LAST PERMISSION (LEAVE) TO ENTER OR REMAIN IN THE UNITED
    KINGDOM WAS GIVEN FOR A PERIOD OF MORE THAN SIX MONTHS ? OR
    - THE LAST PERMISSION READS: ¤GIVEN LEAVE TO ENTER TO COMPLETE
    PREVIOUS LEAVE SECTION 3(3)(B)¤ ? OR
    - PASSENGER IS A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THE UNITED KINGDOM
    RETURNING WITHIN TWO YEARS (SEE NOTE 52453) ? OR
    - PASSENGER HAS A PASSPORT WITH A CERTIFICATE OF ENTITLEMENT
    TO THE RIGHT OF ABODE ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM.
    NOTE 52453: THE TWO YEAR RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO
    ACCOMPANYING SPOUSES AND CHILDREN OF MILITARY PERSONNEL
    RETURNING TO THE UNITED KINGDOM.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH AN EEA FAMILY
    RESIDENCE CARD ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM.
    VISA REQUIRED, EXCEPT FOR PASSENGERS WITH AN EEA FAMILY PERMIT
    ISSUED BY THE UNITED KINGDOM IF THE HOLDER IS TRAVELING WITH,
    OR TO JOIN THE EEA >TIRGL/EEA OR SWISS NATIONAL.

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    Thanks for the replies everyone.
    I had a response from the Austrian Embassy pretty quickly this morning and they confirm they should be able to return and i will get that email over to my friend and his wife/son. Transit Visa not required.
    I looked at the German entry requirement and this is the issue. They required a short term visa (Transit)
    On the outbound they somehow got into Germany and exited the International transit zone and flew between the 2 Schengen states of Germany and Austria therefore entering Austria illegally. Then they transferred back through international passport control where they had the problem.
    They did need a transit visa for Frankfurt but never had an issue getting through.
    The return sectors are BKK to Vienna and then onto Manchester so i think they should go for it. What do you think?
    Incidentally i once went through Frankfurt with my mate who is only 5ft 3" and im 6ft with a slightly larger build. we somehow presented each others passport by mistake and only noticed once we were both through Passport control.

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    They made a bit of a mess of that have to feel sorry for them must have been very stressful.
    I believe they will be fine as long as they do stay in the international transit area on the return and they avoid 2 stop EU connections from now on.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel&panada View Post
    I would say whoever told her she needed a transit visa is wrong, Thailand is not listed as a country requiring a transit visa for Austria and she is married to a British and therefore by default E.U citizen.
    I would have thought that as they are travelling with the UK (EU Citizen) Husband/Father then the EU Right of Freedom of movement for EU Citizens and their Non EU Family members would have trumped all other EU states rules and regulations, but it seems that is not the case :-( another EU benefit that misleads or causes so many issues!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty View Post
    They made a bit of a mess of that have to feel sorry for them must have been very stressful.
    I believe they will be fine as long as they do stay in the international transit area on the return and they avoid 2 stop EU connections from now on.
    Yes a real mess Natty,
    My wifes Thai friend decided she would book everything this trip and her husband let her do it. When we chatted on the Video call he was in the Vienna bar downing a few cold ones and she was in tears. Oh well at least they can sort it out from the LOS.
    Email from the Austrian Embassy will go to them when i have an address and i advise them to print it out and take with them.
    I know we are ok for April via Doha but i went back on the Qatar site just to reassure myself...you never know ;-)
    Update to follow January 11th when they hopefully make it back to Manchester

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    Hi all im a little confused, My wife has to return to Thailand urgently as her sister is seriously ill possibly terminally. looking for flights i can find cheaper ones via Germany in conjunction with Emirates. Going on the above does she need a transit visa? this from German embassy says she does not. Just her passport residence permit & return ticket https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/ap...it-visa/503188 I am not travelling with her and it does not say i need to. i also found this list https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/transit-schengen-visa/ Many thanks steve
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    Hi Stevie57
    http://www.vfsglobal.com/germany/uk/Transit.html
    She should be fine. My friends issue was they entered Germany therefore leaving the international transit zone, and then travelled between 2 Schengen countries (Like EU residents other than UK, Swiss and maybe Norway) before leaving Austria as international passengers again.

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    Ahhh thanks Kingy

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    I dont understand , if she has to return urgently why not swallow the extra and fly either Eva or Thai. straight there no fuss. How much will you be saving.
    Melnathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie57 View Post
    Hi all im a little confused, My wife has to return to Thailand urgently as her sister is seriously ill possibly terminally. looking for flights i can find cheaper ones via Germany in conjunction with Emirates. Going on the above does she need a transit visa? this from German embassy says she does not. Just her passport residence permit & return ticket https://uk.diplo.de/uk-en/02/visa/ap...it-visa/503188 I am not travelling with her and it does not say i need to. i also found this list https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/transit-schengen-visa/ Many thanks steve
    If your wife is not leaving the airport ie going out side, then she will be fine.


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    Never mind going outside of the airport she will need to stay airside/in the transit areas, nowhere else do not pass through immigration otherwise you will be effectively entering Germany.

    Does sound like another long winded journey, if its in connection with Emirates then there will be another stop in Dubai I would have thought.

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    Hi everyone
    My friend and his wife/step son travelled back into the UK via Austria without any issues.
    Thanks for all the responses.
    A Happy Ending
    Kingy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingy View Post
    Hi everyone
    My friend and his wife/step son travelled back into the UK via Austria without any issues.
    Thanks for all the responses.
    A Happy Ending
    Kingy
    Nice to hear.

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