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    Hello everyone

    Enna and I are looking to complete our FLR (M) visa as our current one will soon expire. Last time we used the Frogster guide and it helped a lot but now I'm concerned it may be out of date and some of the links I've been clicking on in the forum now go to dead pages.

    The latest guidance I found from UKVI is dated August 2017. Is that the latest one? Does anyone have a contents framework for supporting documents?

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    One thing springs to mind. You apply online for the application form now, the way I understand it.

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    Hi Alex and Enna

    As rasg says, the FLR(M) application is now online.

    The most up-to-date current guidance which I can find for the online FLR(M) application is also online and you can print it off from this link.

    There's a helpful section here: "Information you must provide". This provides a useful listing of documentation that you'll need for the application.

    You'll have to submit proof of income (guidance here) and to provide samples of official correspondence spread over the past two years as evidence that you both share the same address (e.g. council tax bills, utility bills, bank statements, letters from HMRC, DWP, NHS etc.).

    Your wife will, of course, need an appropriate UKVI approved SELT pass which is at least level A2.

    Hope all goes well.

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    Try for the B1 english it is what is needed for ILR and if used on FLM can be used on ILR no expire date .
    It was easy my wife said .I do have the help pack somewhere which i paid for if any one needs PM me and i can forward it on .

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    Thank you everyone for your responses, it really does lift our spirits.


    Enna's visa expires on the 6th of April. It used to be the case that you were 'encouraged to apply' 28 days before the expiry. Does anyone know if that is still the case? If so we would need to apply on 9th March. Since processing times are estimated to be 8 weeks in the UK, would that not mean we would be overstaying our visa?


    We have been calling our energy & water companies as well as our council every single month for the last year to request a letter from them with both our names on. I am concerned about 2 potential issues here:


    1) I have been collecting these documents for about a year, which would bring us up short. The reason is that we did not get our own place until about a year into our current visa and simply didn't have enough documents addressed to us. Has this mistake likely finished our lives in the UK...?


    2) Unfortunately, in one of these recent months the council failed to send the letter, so for that month we only have 2 letters with our names on. I have tried everything I can but the council will not backdate any correspondence. Would this disqualify us?


    We will be combining categories to meet the financial requirement since Enna has been working. I am self-employed and a director and will not be able to supply a self-assessment tax return as we will be applying one month before April. My previous self-assessment for the year 17/18 would not be sufficient. Instead, I will be providing a Company Tax Return (CT600) with bank statements showing the salary and dividends. This would appear to meet Category F of the August 2017 guidance notes, but it doesn't clarify if a self-assessment is needed as well.

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    Since processing times are estimated to be 8 weeks in the UK, would that not mean we would be overstaying our visa?
    You won't be overstaying as when you apply it'll be in the system

    Don't overthink it too much. You don't have to supply documents for every month, just a selection spread over the period of the visa

    My utilities company wouldn't supply our bills in joint names, just myself as the main account holder.

    The only documents we were able to supply in joint names were our Council Tax Bills, Joint bank account statements, TAx credits letter from HRMC & our sons birth certificate. We had to supply additional documents addressed to us both individually. Basically anything "official" for example, I included my utility bills, bank statements etc. For my wife we included things like a tax rebate letter from HMRC, NHS letters, her own bank statements etc

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    I will be couriering my wife's application two or three days before her visa expires to make sure it is there before her current FLR expires.

    As far as mail is concerned I have saved doctors and dentists appointments as well as a joint blood test form where we both needed blood tests. Also bank statements each month.

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    Todd, rasg, thank you. It does seem that I am overthinking it. We will grab every letter addressed to one of us individually for the first 12 months.

    rasg I'm a little surprised you will be couriering your application only a few days before visa expiry if it can be done 28 days before. Is this so that you have the minimum amount of months necessary for naturalisation in 2.5 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex and Enna View Post
    Enna's visa expires on the 6th of April. It used to be the case that you were 'encouraged to apply' 28 days before the expiry. Does anyone know if that is still the case? If so we would need to apply on 9th March. Since processing times are estimated to be 8 weeks in the UK, would that not mean we would be overstaying our visa?
    When did Enna first enter the UK ?

    You can apply as soon as Enna has been in the UK for 30 months and you must apply before the visa expires. Just make sure the application is in the post before the current visa expires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex and Enna View Post
    rasg I'm a little surprised you will be couriering your application only a few days before visa expiry if it can be done 28 days before. Is this so that you have the minimum amount of months necessary for naturalisation in 2.5 years?
    I am taking no chances that my wife won't complete the full five years when ILR comes around. Read a couple of horror stories about people being denied ILR in the last year or so. I sent my wife's first application three days before without a problem. Why would I change it?

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    hows she getting on with life in the uk rasg ?
    My misses needs to do hers this year with her working all day she just wants to chill i think i need a solid month or 2 with her to prepare ,.
    I suppose she has around £1200 to spend on it thats around 14 attempts to pass .
    As rasg says, the FLR(M) application is now online.
    i did say that this would come .I am a dinosaur

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    We are currently working through the online application. Apparently, once we get to the finance/documents sections, there will be extra guidance.

    What you say makes sense rasg. I guess I would worry what would happen if the courier messed up but like you say, there was no issue for you last time.

    Greg, Enna entered the UK in July 2016 on a fiancee visa, which gives us a couple of extra months before the first FLR kicked in. We should be over the 5-year mark even if we apply a few weeks early (assuming when they make their decision the new visa start date follows on from the previous visa expiry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    hows she getting on with life in the uk rasg ?
    My misses needs to do hers this year with her working all day she just wants to chill i think i need a solid month or 2 with her to prepare ,.
    I suppose she has around £1200 to spend on it thats around 14 attempts to pass .
    As rasg says, the FLR(M) application is now online.
    i did say that this would come .I am a dinosaur
    She loves it. She's a hard worker and she loves the weather here. She's the best thing to happen to me. She will go back to her village for a few weeks in the next few months and TBH, I don't think she’ll cope with the heat. She's waiting for the snow and can’t wait for it to come.

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    yes my misses the same for 10 mins thats the snow .sorry if you misunderstood life in the uk test .
    How is she getting on with that are you worried .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex and Enna View Post
    Enna entered the UK in July 2016 on a fiancee visa, which gives us a couple of extra months before the first FLR kicked in. We should be over the 5-year mark even if we apply a few weeks early (assuming when they make their decision the new visa start date follows on from the previous visa expiry)
    The ILR qualifying time started when Enna was first granted FLR(M) subsequent to your marriage in the UK which would have been for a period of 30 months.

    Bear in mind that her initial period of time spent in the UK on the fiancee visa does not count towards the 60 months/5 years needed to qualify for ILR (E-ILRP.1.3 of the Immigration Rules Appendix FM: Family Members (updated 10th January 2019)).

    Timing is important for the next FLR(M) application. That next FLR(M) will start from the day that it is issued, not from the expiry date of the previous FLR(M). If you apply for the next period of FLR(M) too early, it is possible that it could expire before the 60 month is up.
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    Hi. Are you saying that you have post to you both or to each of you individually at the same address (that can be more than one address obviously if you move), that covers only ONE YEAR ? I'm a bit surprised that this has been glossed over on this thread with no alarm-bells ringing. Of course anything is possible, but as far as the official guidance is concerned you must cover TWO YEARS of proof of cohabitation using a 2-yr spread of post as the evidence. The basic rule as written down formally, is 6 items of post from at least 3 different accounts in BOTH names; or 8 items of post with 4 in both names and the others in separate names to the same address - but crucial that they span the 2 years required. I might have misunderstood you so i apologise in advance if that's the case.
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    I thought it was over the whole 30 months of the visa but I collect everything that we receive, either jointly, or individually. That way, when the time comes I have plenty of choice on what to submit.

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    SingerSongwriter rightly reiterates my original comment that you do indeed have to "...provide samples of official correspondence spread over the past two years as evidence that you both share the same address (e.g. council tax bills, utility bills, bank statements, letters from HMRC, DWP, NHS etc.)". Like rasg, I collect all official correspondence and I also file it away, recording the dates on a time grid to make sure that there are no gaps.

    I have recently helped one of my wife's Thai work colleagues and her UK husband to apply successfully for ILR. She and her husband initially didn't have a sufficient spread of correspondence addressed to them either individually or as a couple over the past two years since her last FLR(M) application. Her husband told me that he just threw the old utility bills and so on away rather than keeping them. I suggested that he contact his utility providers asap and fortunately he was able to obtain duplicate bills from both his water company and his electricity supplier to cover the missing periods needed. It might be worthwhile for the OP to do this to retrospectively collect correspondence to cover his wife's first year in the UK following her initial FLR(M).
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    Times have changed very quickly now ,and where it could have been easier in the past to get your wifes name on bills it is becoming more difficult .
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    utilities will only have one account holder now (i dont know why )
    Seeing when i asked if they had accounts with joint account holders they replied yes .
    British gas now do credit checks .
    My council was a joke trying to get my misses name on the bill .
    I had to ask them for a single rebate as they was not accepting my wife as living with me, soon changed there minds took 6 months throe .
    On a plus side your water company will have 2 names on the account .
    Banks was easy to do add a name to your own accounts, nationwide and barclays also opened easy with the water bill .
    I would say the post office would be easy to open as well .
    To start with your misses NI letter ,doctors letter.and maybe even a tax return for the first year .
    My wifes FLM was a little thin on the first 12 months but then gained a lot over the next 18 months i did use a comparison website for utility bills and put her name on a lot still dont do credit checks IE bristol energy,and EDF .
    I also think that they know at the processing center that most will be a little thin over the first 12 months but then start to see more correspondence over the next 18 months i think that is were some of replied dont put to much thought into it but do start gaining as much as you can for the time remaining .
    hope that helps a little

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    ...utilities will only have one account holder now.
    Perhaps it's different "up north" where you live, Samsung. I had no problems getting my wife's name added as a joint account holder on our EDF electricity and gas accounts. The same with Thames Water and both of the local authorities where we've lived (first Camden and now Wandsworth). The only body which wouldn't allow joint named account holders was TV Licensing.
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