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    Default Reentry into the Uk without British passport.

    Hoping someone will be able to answer this.
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    The HM passport office will not issue the wife a new UK passport until the name in her Thai passport (maiden)matches the name in her Uk passport.Without going into too much detail this is/has causing no end of headache.Already had one wasted journey to the Thai embassy in London,where the wife was told if she brought the required legalised documents (name change and my passport picture) that it could be sorted there only to be told that it can only be done from Thailand.
    So she is in the throes of having to give power of attorney to a relative over there so it can be done,eventually but as you can imagine this is going to take for ever with another visit to the Thai embassy again and all this ensues.
    My question is how will my wife ,a British citizen,be allowed back into the Uk if she doesn't have a Uk passport? We were going to Thailand this year anyway so it would make sense to do all of this passport business over there.
    As usual trying to get answers from the HM passport office is proving differcult(we have a named case officer but trying to contact him/her is by writing a letter! Emails just go to some generic answering service which says contact your case worker by letter..not really helpful at all when you really need to talk to someone.
    The wife has a Thai passport which thankfully they returned after submitting the Uk passport application.

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    I can't answer your question specifically, but UK passport holders that live in Thailand get new passports issued inThailand all the time. I had mine done when it was due to expire. I can't recall the exact length of time but it was around 10 days.
    As you are going on holiday to Thailand perhaps you could look into doing it all when you are on holiday.
    Have a look on the website for renewing UK passport from overseas.

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    Thanks for taking the time to answer Jimmbo.Doesn,t really answer my question of my wife's reentry but I suppose it's another option..only problem is that the Uk passport office is in the throes of processing the application now; but with the length of time it's all going to take it wouldn't surprise me if they eventually reject it ( and keep the money anyways!)

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    I can't help you with your original question but........

    I take it from your last post that you have already got the power of attorney but if for some reason you haven't and its a Thai power of attorney - ask your wife to check if it has an expiry date. I've had a few Thai powers of attorney and unlike others, they have a defined purpose and may only last 1 to 3 months. I got caught out with that one and had to go through a lengthy process again.

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    Does your wife have her passport or have you sent it off?

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    Assuming she is a UK citizen and has proof of her status then she should be able to enter on her Thai passport (even with ILR this would be the case).
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    Jimmbo when she first applied to renew her Uk passport she had to send in both passports.They have kept the Uk passport and returned the Thai passport.
    Ash,Wife has been a naturalised British citizen since 2009. Would it be a case upon reentry to bring her naturalisation certificate alongside her Thai passport. I think she even has her old Thai passport with her ILR in it.
    If we had been aware of these relatively recent foriegn office changes (2016)with regards mismatched names in dual nationality cases we would have done all the necessary changes when we were in Thailand in 2017.
    I understand the changes ,what with all the terrorist /criminality going about,but why is it done so stealthily so no ❇❇❇❇❇❇ knows about it !!

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    Hi Flip,
    No..not yet.Had to fill in the relative document at the Thai embassy,then they have to check the legalised documents we have already given them(name change/my passport page).They will them send them back to my wife..who in turn has to post them off to her niece in Thailand who will then have the p.o.a to allow the name change,In everything Thai(ID,house book,passport).Wife will then have to return to the Thai embassy to collect all her new documents.Its a logistical nightmare.
    Hence we are veering to doing it all in Thailand,but we need to make sure the wife will be allowed back in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by galahad View Post
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    Its a logistical nightmare.
    It can be yes, which is why when asked, I always tell people to get everything done in Thailand before they come to the UK.

    More than once I've heard a Thai girl question the need to change her name to her husband's when she gets married - there is no need (and in Thailand they often don't) as long as she keeps everything that way. The problem seems to be that after insisting on not changing their name, some Thai girls then want to change it when they come to the UK - especially when they apply for a British passport. That's when the problems begin. Problems such as your having, problems with air tickets - a whole host of them

    None of the above is much use to you now but possibly others who read this might understand that to avoid problems later, either change the names before leaving Thailand and entering the UK for the first time or keep everything in the maiden name forever.

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    I understand what your saying Flip but this has only become a recent problem with this' under the radar ' dual nationality matching names change introduced in 2016. I still find it incredulous that I never picked up on this before now.Although I rarely post I still regularly check in on the forums and apart from something Vinny posted(which I missed unfortunately) I have never seen or read anything about this before.
    Think I am going to ask the HM passport office if the missus can have her maiden name put on the observations page....would solve a whole load of trouble...but I,m not too hopeful.
    I wonder how celebrities/pop stars etc get away with it?

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    Her old uk passport should suffice ?

    Getting everything changed up front solves this problem.
    Some posters rightly claim adoption of the husbands surname is not necessary but it avoids down the line problems as in this case .
    In our case my wife only has a UK passport as her Thai passport has expired and we have no plans to renew it anytime soon as its not needed.
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    Hi Ash,
    The missus doesn,t have her Uk passport anymore as the HM passport service have kept it.
    Be careful with that one about expired foreign passports.They are asking for any passports old and new when renewing your passport.However if your wife is giving up her Thai nationality then there is no problem as is having exactly the same name in both the passports.

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    She is not giving up nationality just does not have her old Thai passport anymore, not interested in a debate about this.

    Her Thai passport expired 5 years ago and that has no bearing on her Thai nationality.

    Your wife can prove she is British with her naturalization paperwork
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    a friend has just gone through all of this, the UK passport office returned both Thai and UK passport after cancelling the application and lots of phone calls, they then went though all he hoops in the UK, and they are now in Thailand. where they changed all Thai id, passport etc to married name, so all the translations etc were done in the UK. I know the process in the UK was a time consuming, bureaucratic nightmare, with lots of toing and froing, i would of thought but its my view only would it be easier to change the UK passport to the maiden name matching the Thai passport, my friend has done everything in Thailand but they have put miss on the passport instead of mrs, so more work sorting out if that will cause problems in the UK passport office on their return.

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    Thanks Steve,
    That was my immediate reaction to all of this....just have your Uk passport in your maiden name...and tbh she would probably have her Uk passport by now...but after nearly 16 years here now(plus I,d had/have some health problems i.e bowel cancer) she felt it necessary to keep her married name.Personally,a names a name to me..means little or nothing..what anybody chooses to call themselves..however this little escapade is proving a little troublesome/problematic.
    However,if anything it will help others in the future...and being the socialist that I am...I,m all about helping people.

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    just an update on my friends endeavors name changed on Id card and house book at local amphur, passport changed as well at pattaya passport office, it now turns out they have put miss on the id card and passport. more communications with the passport office to see if that will cause a problem.
    my wife will have the same problem next year, i was going to wait until her Thai passport runs out and then apply for new UK passport, that way she will not hold another passport.

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    i am sure this was discussed on here a few weeks ago about 2 passports ,i am lead to believe that a Thai women will always keep her Thai identity .

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    Hi Steve,
    I see your reasoning but the HM passport office will ask her to send any passport ,whether current or old,alongside her Uk passport.TBH I told the wife just to send her Uk passport in but being the honest soul she is,she sent in her Thai passport;and hence all the ensuing problems.She was worried that it could cause problems later on if 'they'discovered that she holds another nationality(the first name usually gives this away ������
    She is going down the route of getting everything changed over in Thailand by a relative through power of attorney. Hopefully everything goes okay but it will still mean a return to Thai embassy in London

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    i am sure this was discussed on here a few weeks ago about 2 passports ,i am lead to believe that a Thai women will always keep her Thai identity .
    Correct Samsung, a Thai female who marries a non Thai is the only Thai that is 'loosely' legally allowed dual nationality. Many others hold both passports, kids of Thai/non Thai couples for example, without a problem. But if they follow the letter of the law they are supposed to choose which they want when they reach the age of majority (can't remember what that is, 18 or 20?). If they choose the foreign nationality, then again if they abide by the law, they are supposed to give up their Thai nationality. This subject has been brought up before and I received a slating for it. I don't know of any changes to that law and I'm fully aware that there are thousands that have both passports and have never had a problem - probably because a). Providing the country chosen accepts dual nationality, there is no requirement to notify the Thai authorities that another passport has been obtained. b). There is no way the Thai authorities would know about it and c). Like so many rules in Thailand, this is another that's not enforced. I'm simply quoting what the law says on the matter.

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