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    Default The 2019 Non-Immigrant 0 Visa Extension Application (BMA)

    Mrs came back to BKK a few days early for this weekends live lectures at Uni, so thought I would take advantage and head up to Immigration Complex Chaeng Wattana to A) Update my Bankbook / Bank Document B) go to Lak Si district office for an updated Kor Lor 2 marriage document C) to see what they required this year.
    Went to get the Kor Lor 2 first, took 2 minutes, then walked over the bridge on Chaeng Wattana Road got a taxi to Immigration Complex, went downstairs to the bank, got the updated in the book, but their system only showed the total amount and not the individual entries, so asked for several months worth of statements, they gave 6 months stamped and signed also received the Bank Document stating is my account only, opening date etc, signed and stamped, this was faster than I thought it would be.
    Off upstairs went to Immigration a couple of minutes before 3:30 pm and just got a ticket before they stopped issuing dead-on 3:30, just for information once you have a ticket they generally work until the last person has been seen.
    I thought I have everything they could want, filled out the forms whilst waiting, got called for a document check then sat back down before being called to see another officer, had a few more forms to look at with one for Mrs, the officer asked Mrs had we been to Section B about the address, Mrs said no as we had no idea we needed to go.
    The officer said would need to go there first and also would need to re-update my Bankbook IE just put some money in then do an update, this was because the banks system did nt update the individual entries, the next day being a Government Holiday was asked could we come back Friday, we said yes as were stopping near Mrs Uni a few miles away, queue up get a ticket but go straight to Section B then go straight to her IE not wait for ticket number to be called.
    So Friday morning queued up got a number to enter Immigration at 8:30 am, off downstairs for Brekkie which was nice, then upstairs joined the line in sequence (as per number) then off inside to get a ticket number, headed straight off to Section B, Mrs asked an officer a couple of questions and she sorted it out straight away and ohhhhhhhhhh deary me, turns out Mrs got a 800 baht fine for not reporting me coming back into TH each time i ve had to go out, a bit perplexed by this Mrs was given a printed form giving details of the requirement, turns out it is a Must for Mrs to report me re-entering, this can be done online but she needs a Pass code, the pass-code can take up to 7 days to come via Email. The reporting should be done within 24 hours of my arrival. As far as I know this does Not apply to persons NOT leaving TH and who ARE submitting 90 day address reports.
    So off to pay Her fine (I asked the officer if any reflection on me, she said no just you're wife...) I would use this criminality when she's giving me advise on anything / everything I do, but think she would tear-up
    Anyways back to Section L, went straight to see the officer and she just needed a copy of the fine and yet another photocopy of my Bankbook (that day) she also kept photos of me / Mrs outside Condo complex, outside Condo door (number showing) and inside Condo, she kept the map of Condo location but this year gave back building floor plans etc, this year also kept photocopies of my yellow housebook, various pages of passport including latest arrival form, Mrs Thai ID, blue housebook and this year her passport (Thai) 1 completed TM 7 form with a couple of days old passportish size photo, 1,900 baht Non-Refundable fee.Copy of marriage Cert (Thai) Kor Lor 2 plus copy.
    I also took a copy of my online bank statement with itemised entries, but was returned, as was copy of my (pink) Thai ID. Signed a couple of more forms in front of the officer, she typed up a form online and asked where I had came from on my last entry (HCMC- Vietnam) and entry point (Bangkok-DMK)
    Had to sit for a while, before another officer come with my passport and bankbook, was told to go back on a date next month for the result but bring an up to date copy of the Bankbook IE possibly to make sure still more than 400,000 baht in.
    Done and dusted by mid-morning, observed a press conference by a politician on the way out (side exit)
    Have to go back just before the second round of games at the Kings Cup in Buriram so will only see Thailand v Vietnam and Curacao v India
    But Saturday night finally managed a game at TOT Stadium Chaengwattana (Lak Si)
    Kasesart FC v Air Force Central and a pre game Khao Soi @ IT Square.
    Anyone doing this procedure I would strongly suggest getting an updated Kor Lor 2, I have read about people not being able to submit without one (I did nt need last year)
    PS was also asked to submit earlier next time IE not submit with only a few days left on the last extension, not that im trying to gain any time thought would get from mid to late April last time but got from mid May .
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    It has been printed on my 90 day report slip that you have to report re entry within 24 hours for about 18 months. Never noticed it, fined 800 baht as well. Ambiguous as it is the homeowner that gets fined but it states the foreigner must report within 24 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave&Lek View Post
    It has been printed on my 90 day report slip that you have to report re entry within 24 hours for about 18 months. Never noticed it, fined 800 baht as well. Ambiguous as it is the homeowner that gets fined but it states the foreigner must report within 24 hours.
    Never needed to do a report as of yet, always have had something to do outside TH before 90 days is up. But it is something Mrs needs to deal with (now she knows) But it's something we (Both) know about now, going forward.
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    The reporting of a foreigner in residence using the form TM30 (ตม.30) has been a legal requirement for years. However, many immigration offices haven't been enforcing it. Recently lots of offices have started to. It's only actually noticed when said foreigner presents at an immigration office for another reason (extension of stay, residence certificate etc etc). There have also been reports of immigration raids where the TM30 report, or lack thereof, has been checked. Those with no TM30 report have been detained and fined.
    The definition of 'homeowner' is slightly ambiguous but Immigration regard you as the 'possessor' (and therefore liable yourself) if you rent, or otherwise legally occupy a residence.
    This TM30 should be done within 24 hours of arrival and is nothing whatsoever to do with 90 day reporting, filling out the TM6 at the airport/border, or what kind of visa or extension of stay you have.
    If you stay in a hotel, they do it for you and if you want to then go to immigration for any kind of reason you can ask them for a copy of the receipt they got when they did that.
    You can also register your house/condo for online reporting of the TM30. You will need to be able to read and type in Thai to do that, but it makes the whole thing a lot easier if you live a long way from the immigration office.
    Also, if there's no immigration office nearby, you can register the TM30 at a police station. It's advisable to take a form already filled out because they're quite likely to tell you they don't know what you're talking about so they don't have to do it.

    Here's the form
    http://www.immigrationbangkok.com/fi...forms/tm30.pdf
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    Many Thanks Biff
    I just checked the form in the Link, it is something she filled out on Friday morning and was dated to my last entry from March.
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    Just as an after thought my wife was asked to sketch a map of our Condo Complex location, even though I supplied a printed map which was kept.
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    Interesting report, thanks. This bank book thing worries me, as when we knew what the rules were, I went in and got the bank book updated and all transcations were recorded, same for the next month, but in March and April, it was just a summary of in and out. So I called in to Kbank last week to ask why. They mumbled something about 20k worth of transactions, so I said well I easily do that, so in the end, she just printed off all my transactions for the whole period and handed them to me.

    But she knew what was needed by immigration and told me to call in on the day I was going to renew and they would provide everything needed with a covering statement.

    Mines for an OA extension, so straightforward really. Immigration are pretty good in Hua Hin, so it wouldn't surprise me that they have liaised with the banks to help. They even have an office in a Mall here to do 90 day reports and also to provide a few other services as well, although the (new) main office is where you need to go for renewals and things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisaket View Post
    Just as an after thought my wife was asked to sketch a map of our Condo Complex location, even though I supplied a printed map which was kept.
    The hand drawing of a map is to demonstrate that you know where the place is. It's not a sure way of making sure that you actually do know, but that's why they often ask for it to be hand drawn rather than a google maps version.
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    Was chatting to Mrs today about the "Carry On" with her getting a fine, she told me she had asked the Officer when this "TM30 was implemented in BKK" received no answer,she went on to ask "why she was not informed during last years process" and again no answer,finally asked "if people are unaware,how can they comply" that was at the point when the Officer gave Mrs the printed fact sheet.
    The Officer then informed Mrs that TM30(Notification of Address) must be completed within 24 hrs, in the next breath or 5 days
    I have been doing some research and it is catching people out, people who have lived in TH for up to 20 yrs
    Also researched TM28(Change of Address) which IS the responsibility of Non-Thais, where as the TM30 is the responsibility of the Owner-Agent-Manager of where ever a Non-Thai is staying for 24 hrs or more.
    As an example I am now on a TM30 with receipt, form completed by Mrs, however im off the Surin end of this month, so I will be staying more than 24 hrs,I need to fill out a TM28 as I have gone out of my Province and have an address change either at A) Immigration in Surin B) Local Police Station, also as I normally stay at In-Laws, it is the responsibility of the Head of House to fill out a TM30 not doing so can result in a fine. We have plans to see the Kings Cup in Buriram before flying to BKK the next morning, as we will be staying in a hotel / resort they are responsible for a TM30 but again if I was staying more than 24 hrs in Buriram I would have to fill out a TM28 (but dont think will be there more than 24 hrs) When we get back to BKK Mrs has already filed a TM30 for my main address and its before 90 day reporting and I have not left TH, so she does not need fill out another, but I on the other hand have yet again changed address thus need to file a TM28.
    With regards to the TM30 the Head/Owner/Agent/Manager can authorise a (PoA) Power of Attorney (form downloadable online) needs to be filled in by them IE Mrs, signed by her, two other Thais and me (PoA) would also need take copy of her Thai ID and (blue) Housebook both signed, that way if she was not able to register me online IE website crash, cannot get online, out of the country or whatever the reason, with PoA I can do it (ironically) on her behalf within 24 hrs.
    However there are obviously lots of ambiguities and grey areas with TM30 / TM28.
    One that sprang to mind what if someone came camping (tents) pitches in the middle of nowhere every-night in a different province every-night, who is responsible and how to comply ?
    TM28 is across the board regardless of Visa status/Exception etc apart from possibly someone with Permanent Residency (also mentions this on the Video below)
    From what I can gather the authorities aim to be able to track any Non -Thai in TH within 24 hrs.Changes at the Top of the immigration service could mean yet more changes, time will tell.
    Another thing about the TM28 if staying more than 24 hrs IE in Surin then went to another province IE Buriram you then have 48 hrs to file the form (not limited to 24 hrs)
    I have read that there maybe some leeway given to Tourist regarding TM28 (Technically should report change of address) IE My Sister-in-Law lives in Finland, husband is a Finn (will have to submit TM30 next time in TH) his daughter and BF came over from Finland had a few days in BKK, then went to Surin and stayed at SIL bungalow, she should have submitted a TM30 (or with PoA) for them, technically they should have both submitted a TM28, then they came to BKK with Mrs but went straight to Kanchanaburi where they were more than 24 hrs, should have filed a TM28, but obviously they had no idea about TM30 / TM28 (TM30 responsibility of hotel / resort) but just being in TH on holiday for a couple of weeks, cant see the authorities being too bothered. But I believe they are certainly bothered about people in TH on a semi or permanent basis.
    Another scenario is going to be when my SIL and hubby come on holiday from Korea (South) if they have a few days in BKK then go to Surin (always) and stay with my Mother-in-Law, hubby gets 3 months visa free exemption (Korean Passport) hotel in BKK does the TM30, off they go to Surin, now MIL has a Non-Thai staying, she needs to inform the authorities by TM30 and as he has changed address (staying more than 24 hrs) he needs to file a TM28.
    These are just my findings ATM and only been aware of TM30 a few days and TM28 mainly today.
    And only my thoughts, people are picking up on things when they need to visit Immigration.
    But just a warning to double check everything, especially if visiting / staying in Private residencies in other Provinces from registered addresses.
    I hope im totally Wrong about TM30 and TM28, for someone like myself I am often away somewhere either in TH or abroad, so it will have / has had an impact on me, if I get an extension of stay next month I certainly wont be doing a 90 day report as NUFC are due to play in Nanjing and Shanghai in July so I will be offski, meaning a TM30 when I get back and a 95% chance of Mrs not being here.Mrs suggested taking PoA / TM30 / Documents with me and handing them in at DMK IE at Immigration, I did think that was logical but did point out This is TH. Lets see.
    I have read a little today and watched a few Videos: This one I found seams to go part of the way im thinking and bearing in mind this guy is a Lawyer and as such knows a hell of a lot more than me.
    https://www.legal.co.th/resources/vi...ners-thailand/
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    In Pattaya 2018 they have stopped asking you to report within 24 hours of returning to the country year before you had to. It looks like its up to the immigration office if they decide to enforce it. I would check with immigration just before you leave.
    I fell foul of the bank book update last year. I had everything as per written guides issued by Pattaya immigration, but the bank letter dated the day before and the bank book dated two days before were not good enough had to go and put 50 bht into account and get an update same day as the visa form. They weren't worried that the letter showed 50 bht less. I think it's just people being awkward and showing they have power over you as it's something we need or we wouldn't be there.
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    You can do TM30 reports on line, you have to apply for log in details via the immigration site. Have to scan Mrs ID and the house book, if she is the house owner and attach them. You can do it all in English but the scans have to be under one meg. Tried it, just waiting for a reply, took 6 goes to get it right!

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    sisaket, i would not bother with the tm28 or30 for a visit to a private home in surin, immigration will not know you are there if you have no reason to visit them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve187 View Post
    sisaket, i would not bother with the tm28 or30 for a visit to a private home in surin, immigration will not know you are there if you have no reason to visit them.
    We did talk about this, I am inclined to just fill the forms and take them to the "Cop Shop" see if I can get sorted there which is a few minutes from Mrs business all the local government (District) are in the same area and 80% of her clientele work for various government departments plus local politician etc and are always asking when im back next and what am I up to etc, they will know when im back, but will be a pain if I have to go to the city.
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    Just an up-date went up to Chaengwattana Immigration Complex this morning (running late) to pick up the new Non - Imm "O" extension dated from today (7th June) also got a new Re-Entry Permit (Multi) which was processed then issued dead on 12 mid-day as they were shutting for Dinner (Luncheon) Permit cost is still 3,800 baht.
    As a footnote: Had to have Bankbook updated (today) plus photo copies of update page and name / account details page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisaket View Post
    Interesting reading, I was under the impression that if you were not near an Immigration Office you could register at your local police station? My Immigration Office for where I live is Chaiyaphum, about a 3 hour round trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonerider View Post
    Interesting reading, I was under the impression that if you were not near an Immigration Office you could register at your local police station? My Immigration Office for where I live is Chaiyaphum, about a 3 hour round trip.
    You're wife can register online (House owner) I read the same also,that can go to a local police station for TM28 and TM30 IE when im in Surin (or elsewhere) Last time I was in Surin was going to have a trail run at the local police station but A) forgot the 1st day and B) forgot again the next day C) next day had to be at the Agricultural dept south of Prasat at 7am we were there till after 1pm ,time we got back I just gave up, plus there was a suggestion from a friend of a friend who may or may not have the term Immigration (hoff ice her) in their job title that if something should happen IE document check / road accident etc, that would be about the time I was arriving, however should nothing happen, it would almost be like I had not been, was also in between applying for the extension and collecting,we also went to the 1st games of the Kings Cup in Buriram where the hotel should attend to the TM30, but as I was not in Buriram for more than 24 hrs did not need to sort out the TM28 IE arrived around dinner time (luncheon) drove to the airport and flew the next morning, ironically to collect the extension.
    Be interesting for the next driving holiday in TH, need to factor in hotels, things to do / see, immigration and cop-shops.
    Was in Samut Prakan the other day trying out the new BTS extension and their immigration is right beside Pak Nam station which would take about 15 mins for me on the BTS instead of the nightmare of Chaengwattana.
    Lets know how you get on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonerider View Post
    Interesting reading, I was under the impression that if you were not near an Immigration Office you could register at your local police station? My Immigration Office for where I live is Chaiyaphum, about a 3 hour round trip.
    You can, but don't expect them to know how to do it, or to have the form. Download the form yourself and take it with you.

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    We're lucky in that we have a small immigration office in our little town (it's a busy little river port on the Mekong) so my wife went in and registered the TM30. Took 5 minutes.
    When I arrived at BKK from London the IO who was floating around the fast track section (I usually pay to avoid the queues) was right up to speed with it and advised me that it needs to be done when I get up to the house (couple of nights in a hotel in Bangkok first, and they do the TM30).
    Usually when I'm on my way to the airport in Chiang Rai to go back down to Bangkok the bus gets pulled over and everyone's documents are checked, they usually just glance at my passport but this time they had a good thumb through it and were pleased to see the TM30 receipt in there.
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