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    Default Question regarding marriage visitor Visa and Settlement Visa

    Hi Folks. I am new to the forum, so hello there.

    I wondered if someone could answer this question. We are currently attaining a marriage visa for marriage in the uk which has a 6 months limitation. Does anybody know if once you are married if you can apply for a settlement Visa before the marriage visa has expired if your girlfriend is back in Thailand ?

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    There's a decent guide here, they always reference applying from in the UK though

    https://www.migrate.org.uk/flr-m-2018/

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    Hi Folks. I am new to the forum, so hello there.

    I wondered if someone could answer this question. We are currently attaining a marriage visa for marriage in the uk which has a 6 months limitation. Does anybody know if once you are married if you can apply for a settlement Visa before the marriage visa has expired if your girlfriend is back in Thailand ?
    I don't fully understand the question.

    The marriage visa (often called a fiancée visa) is a settlement visa. You get the visa, travel to the UK and have the six months to get married. The visa that follows is called Further leave to remain (FLR) which is applied for from inside the UK and must be applied for before the fiancée visa expires. It last 30 months. Your wife will then need a second FLR before Indefinite leave to remain (ILR) which is applied for after she has lived in the UK for five years.

    Your wife would be unable to travel outside while FLR is being decided, the way I understand it. It wasn’t a problem before the latest rule changes and the online application as the applicant's passport was kept by UKVI. Now they give it back to you because they have digital copies of everything.
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    Hi there. Thanks for your reply. The Visa she is on is going to be a married visitor Visa so she can only stay in the UK for 6 months. We were half way through doing this when circumstances changed and we now want to settle in the UK but keeping to original marriage visitor Visa because it is quite advanced. The settlement visa we have to apply for when she is back in thailand and i am just not sure if we can apply while she already holds a marriage visitor visa. Complicated !

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    Thanks i will have a read through !

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    Thanks i will have a read through !

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    Hi there. Thanks for your reply. The Visa she is on is going to be a married visitor Visa so she can only stay in the UK for 6 months. We were half way through doing this when circumstances changed and we now want to settle in the UK but keeping to original marriage visitor Visa because it is quite advanced. The settlement visa we have to apply for when she is back in thailand and i am just not sure if we can apply while she already holds a marriage visitor visa. Complicated !
    I understand the visa you are talking about now. You didn’t mention a marriage visit visa in your first post. Only marriage visa. What do you mean "keeping to original marriage visitor Visa because it is quite advanced." about this statement. Does she have this visa or is she currently applying for it? If she hasn’t applied

    The way I understand it, the marriage visit visa is used for a couple who want to get married in the UK but don't want to settle in the UK. Essentially a visit visa with permission to marry.

    The fiancée visa that my wife had that lasted for six months and allowed her to move to the UK, get married and the next visa is Further leave to remain that is applied for from within the UK before the fiancée expires. She didn't have to go home to Thailand but she wasn't allowed to work for the six months duration of the fiancée visa.

    The fiancée visa route is an expensive way of doing things as it's an extra visa that is needed. Fiancée visa/FLR 30 months/FLR 30 months/ILR.

    By marrying in Thailand the initial settlement visa is 33 months long then a single 30 month period of FLR, then ILR.

    Settlement visas have to be applied for from Thailand and take around three months. FLR takes around 8 weeks but is applied for inside the UK. I've never heard of anybody doing things the way you are suggesting and I have no idea is it's possible. The only difference is where you get married. My guess is that it is ok but wiser people will no doubt come along and give you their input.

    I don't think it would be an issue applying for a settlement visa while your girlfriend is on a married visa at all. My wife had overlapping visit visas a while back.

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    Hi there. You have got this right. Thisa is having an interview with VFS in Bangkok next week as we have already submitted the marriage visit Visa when we had planned 50 / 50 in the UK and in Thailand. So we are going ahead with this as it is a big process. But now my domestics have changed and we will be seeking her to move to the UK on a settlements Visa a soon as is feasible after weare are married. From what you have said you think that although we have married and the current married visit visa is still active we can still apply for the settlement visa if thisa is my wife and back in bangkok?? I appreciate we cannot know everything for sure!

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    I think you can. I'm surprised that nobody else has contributed yet.

    If you don't need to get married in the UK surely it would be worth cancelling the appointment, getting married in Thailand and going for a settlement visa?

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    We thought about that but we have already planned 3 months in the UK and have made arrangements and i cannot go to thailand for more than a few weeks due to recent family issues. i think it would take a little more time to marry in thailand ?? Thanks for your help on this

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    I got married in Thailand last month, if you want to it can be done quickly and easily. I would warn you strongly against getting your info from someone who married a while ago or information published online. Officially the system has not changed but in practice it has... If it is an option you are considering send me a p.m and I will give you some tips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren View Post
    If it is an option you are considering send me a p.m and I will give you some tips.
    Bad idea.

    Post your questions here, so errors can be corrected and EVERYONE benefits from the answers.
    If you're offended by any assistance I give, it says far more about you than it does me.

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    pretty sure there wont be any errors, I got married last month in Bangkok

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    But you've had problems with your visa application. I agree with Keith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    From what you have said you think that although we have married and the current married visit visa is still active we can still apply for the settlement visa if this a is my wife and back in bangkok?? I appreciate we cannot know everything for sure!
    At the worst your current visa will probably be expired early when the new application is granted. As long as your wife is back in Thailand I doubt there is an issue. It would be good to get Tobias's input, if he knows of course. Your original post didn't definitely say that you were already married. People change there minds according to their circumstances all the time.

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    Thanks to Rasg, Darren and Keith. Thisa put in the marriage visit visa application last friday in the VIP lounge so she had lots of help with the documents, very different to last time when she had to wait for the standard Visa. Expect to hear within 2 weeks i think but we do not expect problems. We will be getting married in September and she returns to Bangkok in October and we will apply for the settlement Visa then. I can see the logic now that many people i guess will change their mind about how they want to do things in the future once they are married or perhaps their circumstances change. I will keep you guys posted as and when things happen. In the meantime, many thanks for your advice. Cheers :-)

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    Hi Guys. Just a general comment, not sure where to put this. My fiance has been waiting for over 3 weeks now for a result to his marriage visitor Visa and is getting very despondent. Last year it took 2.5 weeks for her to hear and 2 weeks for her to get an SMS to pick up her passport. She is feeling pretty negative now although I am not sure not hearing anything is bad news anyway. Apparently all Visa information from Bangkok now goes to India and everything seems to have slowed down. This is different from last year ?Thisa tells me that many people are waiting a month or more and having to phone up but the immigration website says that 90 per cent is cleared in 3 weeks. Just really passing this on to anybody planning to apply

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    Just and update. Visa finally came through with the wrong dates. We stated travel on 12th August 2019 and applied 3 months in advance as required in the UK gov site and India put the 20th of June on it as that is when they assessed it which stops us being in the UK at Christmas and New Year. We escalated it to get it changed and they stated that they put the assessment date on the Visa not the travel date. They say that they only put the travel date on the Visa if you apply 3 months in advance, which we did but they seem to have missed this. You cannot reply to the emails and the UK Gov helpline cannot help once a decision has been made. It seems that the timing of your application is essential as you cannot guarantee what they will do with the Visa date. If you do it too soon you can get an early date that you do not want. If you leave it late you can miss your date. You want. A narrow window to be sure. Followed all of the rules to the letter and got stuffed on the date but at least got the Visa

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    wow you baffled me with this ..............
    RASG do you think you went the best way to get your wife settled in the UK or now do you think the other route would have been better ,
    I just did it the easy way all be it a lot of paperwork .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    We thought about that but we have already planned 3 months in the UK and have made arrangements and i cannot go to thailand for more than a few weeks due to recent family issues. i think it would take a little more time to marry in thailand ?? Thanks for your help on this
    one day in Thailand (marraige that is )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    wow you baffled me with this ..............
    RASG do you think you went the best way to get your wife settled in the UK or now do you think the other route would have been better ,
    I just did it the easy way all be it a lot of paperwork.
    I had a couple of choices that were given to me by my wife. She wanted to get married in the UK in front of her new family any way but she was insisting on Sin sot being paid if we got married in Thailand. I also would not have inflicted thousands of pounds of travel on my sisters and their families because they would have insisted on going as it was my first marriage.

    As it is, when we next go back to Thailand together, we will have a big party in her village. Add it all together and it was a bargain paying for the extra fiancée visa which I of course paid for. And with the benefit of a UK marriage certificate.

    My nephew got married in Turkey a year before I met my wife. It cost me £2.5K on my own for a week in Turkey taking into account two jobs I had to turn down and the wedding was over in 3 minutes. I could never have inflicted costs like it on my family or friends even though they could have easily afforded it. All very romantic but many people don't take the financial side into account when they decide to get married abroad.

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    To answer the original question: Yes, she may return to Thailand and apply for a settlement entry clearance at any time after marriage. Unfortunately, she cannot switch to FLR(M) in the UK.

    Immigration status requirements wrote:
    E-LTRP.2.1. The applicant must not be in the UK-

    (a) as a visitor; or
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    I am not sure which is best myself. Marriage in Thailand I think we could have done quietly or maybe not i am not sure! Quiet is better as i have been married before but i am not sure i will get away with this in the UK. My fiance says the marriage can be as quiet as i want and she is not worried about a big ceremony as she has been married before as well. However she is still picking out wedding dresses so she clearly has some aspirations for the day.

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    Hi Vinny. Yes thanks for this. We will apply for the settlement visa as soon as she goes back in October. Takes about 3 months to hear I think unless we are very lucky and hear sooner. Cheers

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