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    I'm going to ty the Police Station, will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonerider View Post
    What about the TM28 nightmare, the 90 day reporting nightmare, the 1 year extension renewal nightmare....and it goes on 555555555555

    On the plus side I have just this last 30 mins passed through immigration on my way back to work and was not asked...good job really

    The whole TM30 thing is a PITA, but I suppose at some point I am going to have to bite the bullet with Ohm and go to Chaiyaphum and sort it out, but us going to Chaiyaphum within 24hrs of me landing at BKK, flying to Khon Kaen aint going to happen so lets hope they can sort out the internet checkin or we can do it at the Police Station...has anyone tried that?
    I ll be going to the local " Cop Shop " in early OCT (dont think before) when I stay in Surin but make trip / trips in the car to the Moto GP in Buriram, as I will be staying less than 24 hours in Buriram so will be OK for the TM 30 / TM 28. MIL will be doing the TM 30 in Surin I will have to do the TM 28, should be interesting. I was going to do it last time but forgot.
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    This TM28 seems to have escaped my attention... So it seems that if I stay at our house in my wife's name, we go up to the police station or immigration together, she hands then a TM30 and I hand them a TM28 ? Totally bonkers if so. I have seen TM28 mentioned before in passing, but I had thought that was only used by holders of long-stay extensions to inform immigration of a permanent change of address.

    I'll only be there a week on a visa-exempt tourist stamp, I'm still very tempted just to ignore all of this for now.

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    TM28, I believe it is used when you are away from your TM30 place of staying for more then 24hrs in another province. Then when you come back you do yet another TM30. I might get corrected on this though?

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    As far as I am aware. The TM30 is for hotels and landlords, a host or whatever, to report where you stayed in any given period i.e. 3 nights at a hotel in province x.

    When you get back to province Y, you have to go and report you are back on a TM28, whilst your host has to do the same on a TM30, whether it a condo, house or apartment owner you rent from, or the other half, which does apply to me, but the other half isn't interested in doing that!

    I'm currently ignoring this. Korat and KK was easy as we stayed at hotels. Now I am back at her indoors rented condo in Bkk, she who must be obeyed has said she is not responsible for reporting me, but her LL is. I think she's wrong. Time will tell - in November actually, when I do my next 90 day report. No issues being reported so far where I am.

    But usually, when I just head to Bkk and then return to HH, no-one will be any the wiser as to where I am on any given date, so the regs can be ignored.
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    My wife was fined during a recent visa application despite immigration agreeing it was the landlord at fault. The immigration officer suggested we could challenge our landlord but expected they would not repay the fine.

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    In practice I think a TM28 is only required for a change in your permanent residence. Staying at a hotel for a few days is not a change in permanent residence. As I understand it, as long as TM30s are submitted by our wives every time we return home, that is all that is required. But...

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    I've been totally convinced since the PM took his throne that he is totally in awe of Chinese rule and will stop at nothing to get what he wants. This whole reporting thing is a cheap way of installing CCTV all over Thailand. Sounds very like China to me. He obviously enjoys being courted by his cousins here but is too stupid to realize they give nothing out without getting a heck of a lot more in return. What a shambles he's made the country into.

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    i think the tm28 is something hat is not enforced by immigration, and wold only apply to a permanent change of address, as to my local office in mataphut they only require a update to the tm 30 on my return to Thailand after a trip out of the country, so they can update the tm6 number, they just put a fresh date stamp in the tm30 receipt already in my passport, but all offices as with all matters have there own take on the subject, they would not change a yearly retirement extension to a yearly married extension, or convert a tourist visa to a non immigrant visa, both required a fresh non imm 'o' visa issued outside the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve187 View Post
    i think the tm28 is something hat is not enforced by immigration, and wold only apply to a permanent change of address, as to my local office in mataphut they only require a update to the tm 30 on my return to Thailand after a trip out of the country, so they can update the tm6 number, they just put a fresh date stamp in the tm30 receipt already in my passport, but all offices as with all matters have there own take on the subject, they would not change a yearly retirement extension to a yearly married extension, or convert a tourist visa to a non immigrant visa, both required a fresh non imm 'o' visa issued outside the country.
    The enforcement can differ from province to province and with that associated problems , but on 30 AUG Mrs went to see a (male) immigration officer and in Bangkok we are expected to do both TM 30 and TM 28, the TM 28 is personal to the individual, any change of address for 24 hours or more must be reported IE if I go to Surin im expected to fill out a TM 28 (more than 24 hrs) and upon return to BKK another, but Mrs does not need to fill out another TM 30 for my registered address (if I went outside TH and came back she would) and in Surin staying at MIL, MIL would need to file a TM 30. But if arrive on a Friday you can file on a Monday, also Bank Holidays can file afterwards.
    So if I went to Pattaya as an example late on a Friday, stayed Friday /Saturday/ Sunday went back to BKK on a bank holiday Monday, im back in BKK before I can file a TM 28 a well thought out procedure.
    But be expected to complete a TM 28 with-in 24 hours of arriving back in BKK.
    Again if I went to my brother-in-laws temple in Yasothon and stayed a few days, who is responsible for the TM 30 "no time for prayers Brother Monk were off to Yasothon Immigration with a TM 30 you need to fill in", how likely would that be ? Although he would do it if I asked him, but im never going to do that. I can think of lots of different scenarios where someone intends to fill out TM 28 forms but cannot IE your off to immigration, got a few hours to spare but are involved in an accident, need to go to hospital, oh dear 24 hour time limit is up, then what ? On paper these forms are great, unfortunately in the real world it's not been thought through.
    The TM 28 comes under section 37(c) of the Thailand Immigration Act 1979. The TM 30 comes under section 38 of the same act.
    Just to stress these are in addition to coming in / out TH and 90 day reporting.
    I mean the criminals will have to re-think their location strategies IE doing a bit of illegal activity in BKK, then need to go do the same in Pattaya, but wait they will need to make sure their forms are in order first, right ? answers on a postcard, the person with the correct answer could win a blue peter badge.
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    It's complete rubbish, isn't it. So on my last little trip, I spent just over 24 hours in Korat - so when exactly am I meant to go to immigration?

    Then on the Friday, off to KK, 4 nights in a hotel - am I really meant to spend Monday going to immigration? When the point of the trip was to visit Pam's ailing father, who has long lived in a care home and obviously also visit her mother and other family and friends?

    Then back to Bangkok, okay, no real excuse there time wise, I spent 5 nights, but just how the hell do you get to immigration?

    But wait - I have a few issues - I tore / pulled / ripped the tendons and calf muscle in my left leg after tripping on a carpet indoors, I kid you not. It was hard to get around, the other half had to work, I'm not going to be able to queue all day anywhere, yet alone immigration.

    So I didn't bother. It's nuts.
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    If I were to live in Bangkok, spend my weekends travelling to various provinces and staying with friends, I assume the powers that be have no way of knowing where I go. So, unless you stay in a hotel that actually bothers to fill out a form, immigration have no way of knowing either. Am I correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    If I were to live in Bangkok, spend my weekends travelling to various provinces and staying with friends, I assume the powers that be have no way of knowing where I go. So, unless you stay in a hotel that actually bothers to fill out a form, immigration have no way of knowing either. Am I correct?
    Correct. It only becomes an issue when you next go to immigration for whatever reason (90 day report, extension of stay etc) and they see a TM30 has been filed somewhere that isn't for the address you're registered at. Once you do the TM30 for your address at your immigration office, unless there's a new one filed somewhere else, you're sorted.
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    Updated advice from Gov.UK, via the British Embassy:

    If you’re living or staying in Thailand on a long-term visa, immigration rules can be complex and are subject to change. At present, if you stay in Thailand long-term, you must report to immigration authorities every 90 days. If you change your address, you must notify your local police station within 24 hours. If you travel to another province for more than 24 hours, you must report to the local immigration office or police station within 24 hours, and again report to your local immigration office within 48 hours of returning to your home address. It is your responsibility to ensure you meet the requirements of your visa. Stay informed and contact your local immigration office for more information.
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    If I stay in Thailand for only a week on a tourist Visa-exempt entry but stay at a Thai person's house instead of a hotel, do I need to do anything ? Still not clear. The Thai person needs to do the TM30 theoretically.

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    Last week did my 90 day reporting. I have no TM30 never have had. I didn't mention it they didn't mention it. In and out in 10 minutes. Also a few months ago did my visa no one was interested then either, and was never asked to return at a given day to prove I still had the 800,000bht in my Thai bank account.
    Perhaps a problem may occur when I leave the country, who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    Also a few months ago did my visa no one was interested then either, and was never asked to return at a given day to prove I still had the 800,000bht in my Thai bank account.
    And that sums up the issue for immigration. The new visa rules are causing them all sorts of headaches without worrying about TM30's. Here in HH we were told that immigration would be lenient in checks for the first year. They took a lot of paperwork from me - I use the monthly route - so a minimum of 12 x 3 bits of paper from the bank for each month (more in reality), then a record of my account (the one I use for foreign transactions) for the whole year plus a copy of my bankbook. She had a quick check but said she would check it fully later as she didn't have the time with me sat there!!! This was on the 20th August and again, nothing mentioned about my trips elsewhere, even out of the Country re: the 30/28.

    But they do now have a window set up for TM28/30's but I think that's more for show. My 90 day report is November and next month I am off to Chiang Mai and will inevitably visit other places as well before then, but I suspect this rule will be scrapped or amended before then.
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    Update : Online TM 30.
    Back into DMK late 23rd (Sept) called the chief TM 30 App operator on 24th (am) to remind her to file the info online, called back a few minutes later, she forgot the password but she had written it down and put in a file, so found the password but it did nt work and as per normal I must have give it wrong ...lol .. "no its in your handwriting and you have even put it in a box, so today's edition of blame the farang aint happening" anyway she then blamed the browser...lol... but she was able to reset the password via email, so she then was able to fill it in, after me giving her the new TM 6 code, but her verdict of the process was described as pathetic, she sent me the evidence to print off, so it was done on the App on her mobile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    If I stay in Thailand for only a week on a tourist Visa-exempt entry but stay at a Thai person's house instead of a hotel, do I need to do anything ? Still not clear. The Thai person needs to do the TM30 theoretically.
    if you are not going to have any dealing with the local immigration office, then don't bother to report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    Last week did my 90 day reporting. I have no TM30 never have had. I didn't mention it they didn't mention it. In and out in 10 minutes. Also a few months ago did my visa no one was interested then either, and was never asked to return at a given day to prove I still had the 800,000bht in my Thai bank account.
    Perhaps a problem may occur when I leave the country, who knows?
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    I’ve got an Immigration App to do all this now. I’m very excited to see if it works.

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