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    RSS Feed TM30: The form getting expats in Thailand into a bureaucratic tangle

    Foreign workers now have to check in with officials every time they leave home for more than a day.

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    Not just workers ANY visitors to Thailand as well. If you go somewhere for more than 24 hours you have to register where you are and then register again when you return home/hotel/condo/apartment/room.

    I understand why they are doing it, to keep track off where everyone is and hopefully cut down on criminal activity.
    What they don't get is that the criminal fraternity will just ignore this and it is the law abiding expat/visitor that is going to suffer the pain (such as it will be).
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    What happens if you have a yellow house book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    What happens if you have a yellow house book?
    Makes no difference having a yellow house-book or Pink ID card , I ve just been to Chaengwattana Immigration today (30 AUG) we arrived into BKK at around 1 am got home went to bed, got up went with Mrs to Register me with TM 30. (Mrs responsibility)
    She applied online 31 May, got a link to confirm everything, clicked the link and they were meant to send a password to complete everything, password never arrived, just after I received my latest Non - Imm O extension I went abroad, came back and she was still waiting for the password and the online account was "Pending" so she posted off the paperwork (TM 30) with a SAE, we have been away about a month (different trip but this one together) but this morning nothing in the mail from Immigration, so we deiced to go in person to get everything sorted out, she had phoned them before we went traveling about the password etc, they said to go in person,so today she politely but firmly wanted the account online operational, now it is and also downloaded the App to her phone, she also wanted things cleared up about the posting and the form from today.
    Just to be clear the TM 30 is the responsibility of the main person in the Apt - Condo - Guesthouse etc IE if I went to stay at my Mother-in-Laws she would be responsible for the TM 30 and I would be responsible for a TM 28. As Gary writes this comes into play if more than 24 hours away from the registered address.
    But my understanding is (using MIL as an example) upon returning from MILs , Mrs would nt need to fill another TM 30, but I would need to fill in a TM 28 but this is a grey area. Im off to the F1 GP next month in SG, so will see what happens when the Immigration Intranet gets tested out.
    When we went to get the Intranet / Password up and running there was quite a few people having the exact same problem. This is a short version of 30 AUG the real one is a comedy of errors / a saga. Mrs view is : Lack of training, intranet that does nt work, bad for businesses, bad for TH, difficult to disagree.
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    Couldn't they just make carrying a mobile phone compulsory and track the bloody thing, sounds like living in Thailand is becoming a bit of a chore ?

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    Not only living but visiting as well. The new 60 day online visa application is a nightmare compared to what was required on the old paper form. Too much info required just for a short stay and with the exchange rate as well I may well have booked my last trip to LOS (for a considerable time at least) next year.
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    They do love their unnecessary bureaucracy, it must be a logistical nightmare to administer this, hopefully it will quietly go away once they feel they can save face over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prikphet View Post
    Couldn't they just make carrying a mobile phone compulsory and track the bloody thing, sounds like living in Thailand is becoming a bit of a chore ?
    100% Correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    What they don't get is that the criminal fraternity will just ignore this and it is the law abiding expat/visitor that is going to suffer the pain (such as it will be).
    Yes exactly !!

    I haven't had to worry previously because we always stayed in hotels when we went. But now my wife has a house in her name we stay there, so by law she has to do a TM30. We didn't bother last time and probably won't again. I'm sure I saw a leaflet from immigration that said it is only necessary if staying in Thailand for more than 30 days and if so that is their practical application of that law. Also saw something that said it doesn't apply yo tourist visas or visa-exempt entries. Not so sure about that one. It is all so murky. If you don't have to go to immigration for any reason then you are unlikely to have an issue.

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    I am planning/thinking of returning to work in Thailand next August but things like this and the ever-increasing stress ex-pats seem to be facing makes me edgy about doing so. When I first moved there, some 13 years ago I felt welcomed by the country. It seems as the years pass, the powers that are making it very clear that they will never accept foreigners calling Thailand their home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    I am planning/thinking of returning to work in Thailand next August but things like this and the ever-increasing stress ex-pats seem to be facing makes me edgy about doing so. When I first moved there, some 13 years ago I felt welcomed by the country. It seems as the years pass, the powers that are making it very clear that they will never accept foreigners calling Thailand their home.
    Yes it seems we are not welcome anymore, although no matter how difficult they make it they will always have to allow spouses of Thai citizens. I would hope. I love Thailand and its people, but if I didn't have a Thai wife I'd probably be looking at other options.

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    I read an article on Facebook (yes so take with a pinch of salt) but failing to fill in a TM30 will result in you being fined at the point of exit, i.e. airport when you leave, as they will have a record of all registered TM30's that they will be able to access.

    As I said pinch of salt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    I read an article on Facebook (yes so take with a pinch of salt) but failing to fill in a TM30 will result in you being fined at the point of exit, i.e. airport when you leave, as they will have a record of all registered TM30's that they will be able to access.

    As I said pinch of salt.
    It isn't the foreigner's responsibility to file a TM 30. It is the hotel or residence you stay at. Very recently an immigration spokesperson said foreigners will no longer be fined where the TM30 has not been completed. Problem is that immigration laws are implement differently throughout the country, no consistency !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    It isn't the foreigner's responsibility to file a TM 30. It is the hotel or residence you stay at. Very recently an immigration spokesperson said foreigners will no longer be fined where the TM30 has not been completed. Problem is that immigration laws are implement differently throughout the country, no consistency !
    Mrs was fined when I acquired my latest Non-Imm O extension for failing to supply a TM 30, to which she raised the question of why was she not informed about this requirement during the process the year before and how are people meant to comply if they dont know anything about it.
    During last Fridays all day outing to immigration she wanted to talk to someone other than the lady officers processing TM 30 for exact clarification of TM 30 and TM 28, all the ins and outs, as apart from me she has two brother-in-laws who are foreigners and a cousin who is married to a Canadian.
    " no consistency " When she had asked one of the lady officers about the TM 30 she posted (with SAE) and why had she not received the receipt, she was told by one they dont send back receipts to which she pointed out after being fined she was given a photo copy about three ways to comply/send TM 30. 1) in person 2) via their intranet 3) post with a SAE for receipt only to be told forget about that one, less than impressed by that statement she went on to point out why did they not forget about the one she was fined for and that she used EMS tracker so she has a record of the date, time and officers name who signed for it upon delivery to their department, so it was delivered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sisaket View Post
    Mrs was fined when I acquired my latest Non-Imm O extension for failing to supply a TM 30, .
    Yes, it was her responsibility as house owner, not yours - I assume there is a house in her name etc ?

    I'm visiting Thailand again before the end of the year. I hope there may be further clarification before then. I'm only staying a week, but by the letter of the law my wife should file a TM30 because I'll be staying at her house. But since I won't be visiting immigration for any reason - i.e. no extension etc - it should not be an issue. Then there was a comment above about them checking at the airport when you leave. I think that is highly unlikely so I'll do some research on that. It is not much effort to do a single TM30 and I may get her to do if we plan to stay at the house the whole week, but if we plan to go out of town and stay in a hotel at least once, then it becomes a pain and we may not bother because then there are multiple TM30s.

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    Here you go - an official TM30 document that states that foreigners only need to report if staying longer than 90 days. And also states that those on tourist visas are exempt. Published by Bangkok Post. However no such exemption for landlords and hotel owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    Very recently an immigration spokesperson said foreigners will no longer be fined where the TM30 has not been completed. Problem is that immigration laws are implement differently throughout the country, no consistency !
    It was not while you are trying to get an extension (your different throughout the country comment). It was said about when you leave the country, no TM30 = Fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    Last para of section 37. Now when applying for a visa online, you have to list all the places you will be staying, with booking details (and proof of to upload).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    Yes, it was her responsibility as house owner, not yours - I assume there is a house in her name etc ?
    Where I live in BKK its our Condo, we thought it best for her to be head Honcho as we thought we would be using the online process by now, she's away a lot of the time , she happened to be here as we just returned from a months travel, but she has written a couple of power of attorney forms just in case I need to go when she's away, hopefully the online will work OK now, the first two passwords they gave her on Friday did not work, a case of third time lucky.
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    The whole thing is ridiculous. So I go to Thailand for a week, based at my wife's house. Within 24 hrs she has to file a TM30. The we fly down to Bangkok and stay in a hotel for a night. They do a TM30 report. We fly back home, my wife has to do a TM30 again. We go away for a night in another province, the hotel files a TM30. We return home, and she files a TM30 for the third time. Then I return to the UK.
    (a lot of small hotels don't file a TM30 because they don't even ask for my passport. Then it is easier !)

    Of course now they are cracking down on the number of visa-exempt entries per year. I'll have to watch that. Once I settle permanently that will go away, then just the TM30 nightmare.

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    What about the TM28 nightmare, the 90 day reporting nightmare, the 1 year extension renewal nightmare....and it goes on 555555555555

    On the plus side I have just this last 30 mins passed through immigration on my way back to work and was not asked...good job really

    The whole TM30 thing is a PITA, but I suppose at some point I am going to have to bite the bullet with Ohm and go to Chaiyaphum and sort it out, but us going to Chaiyaphum within 24hrs of me landing at BKK, flying to Khon Kaen aint going to happen so lets hope they can sort out the internet checkin or we can do it at the Police Station...has anyone tried that?

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