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    Quote Originally Posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
    My thanks go to all the rich people and higher rate tax payers that pay a large portion of their tax to mean that I, as a lower rate tax payer now, can still benefit from free services and the NHS that my taxes alone no longer cover. I don't have envy for you, I admire you and respect you.

    I do wish that the NHS surcharge had to be paid by all foreigners settling here though and not just non-EU, that would be a much fairer system.
    Admiration Ian, but do they all admire and respect those on lower incomes (tax rate) like our selves?

    I am actually the chairman for our local parish council, over the last 10 years while I have been a counselor, there has never been a counselor on a higher tax rate in our parish, yet they account for the majority and raise equally as many issues.
    We are not paid, we don't want to be paid, but we do give up our (free) time to try help and solve issue's raised with in our community and spend what little resources we have to make a difference.

    We go that bit further, we give up our free time and get our hands dirty, so we can stretch out our resources. I have not been lucky to take early retirement or work on a 10 day on 10 day bases in the nuclear industry on a decent salary, however, they are my eyes and ears. What would be nice if any or some of them would turn up up to the meetings, instead of just messaging and email me the issues. Then between us all, we can try and address them. I and others who are not contributing the same financially, can and do make it up in other ways.

    When the government first announced they were going to introduce the NHS surcharge in April to 2015 at £200. I thought, yes that is the right way to go instead of hiking up visa fee's every year. But what did they go and do, ILR went from £991 to £1500.

    I would like to see a system where there is balance and fairness and I don't mean just for our partners. It's crazy that people like myself who voted to leave the EU are accused of been against immigration, how wrong you are.

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    Welcome to a Socialist society. . .

    Some will pay more; some will pay less and some will pay nothing. . .

    My main gripe with the NHS surcharge is that whilst I have always contributed (in my opinion) my fair share of tax and National Insurance Contributions over the years, I still had to pay for my wife to use the NHS.

    At the same time there are the “Terminally Unemployed” as I call them (Hull has a lot of them), who actively choose not to work and live a life paid for via the welfare system. These people have contributed very little, if at all to the system yet receive all the benefits. In fact, they receive slightly more as people in this position receive free NHS prescriptions, free dental etc. etc. whilst hard working folk have to pay yet again for these, if it was a level playing field it would be easier to justify in my opinion.

    My opinion is that the whole immigration policy is flawed and appears now aimed to extract the maximum revenue it can, and my recent experiences for the wife’s ILR confirmed it. £2400 for the visa application, £60 for the Biometrics, extra for various time slot appointments, VIP lounges, ~£2.50 per minute phone calls etc. etc. Where does it end if we follow the price increase trajectory that i have witnessed in the past 6 years or so, £4k for visas, £3000 for NHS surcharges for 30 months?

    I do agree the £625 charge is on balance very good value against private health care and don’t begrudge the money being spent on the NHS as it is intended, but realistically how much of it reaches its intended destination?

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    In the meantime 19 Filipino NHS working aliens as they are described died on the front line saving lives in the UK struck down by the virus while the government put up the NHS surcharge to bring families over. Does anybody think that we should think again about how we treat our apparent 'aliens' or maybe at least have the decency not to increase the fees while such people put themselves at high risk ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    In the meantime 19 Filipino NHS working aliens as they are described died on the front line saving lives in the UK struck down by the virus while the government put up the NHS surcharge to bring families over. Does anybody think that we should think again about how we treat our apparent 'aliens' or maybe at least have the decency not to increase the fees while such people put themselves at high risk ?
    I think this will be news to anyone living in the UK. Do you have a link to these 19 Philipino deaths ? I have also never seen the mainstream media over here use the term 'Aliens'. That is however, something that is used very commonly in Thailand.

    Did this come from your usual source of news ? TGN ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    In the meantime 19 Filipino NHS working aliens as they are described died on the front line saving lives in the UK struck down by the virus while the government put up the NHS surcharge to bring families over.
    You're talking about 2 different things. The 'aliens' as you call them, would have been recruited direct to the NHS and not come to the UK as partners seeking a settlement visa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Keith- View Post
    ... I have also never seen the mainstream media over here use the term 'Aliens'. That is however, something that is used very commonly in Thailand...
    Section 50 of the British Nationality Act 1981 defines 'alien' as "... a person who is neither a Commonwealth citizen nor a British protected person nor a citizen of the Republic of Ireland". It is a term which is now rarely used in the UK, the UK preferring to use the expression 'foreign national'.

    I suspect the reference to 19 is erroneous and likely a reference to COVID-19, there is certainly no current data that suggests 19 Filipino nurses have died in the UK with COVID-19. There are reports of 3 nurses and 2 porters of Filipino descent who died with COVID-19 but there is no determination they contracted the disease in the workplace.
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-community-nhs

    Looks like it is more than 19 Filipinos that have died...….sad sad news.

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    Tobias,

    My point relates to the context in which Nic uses the word 'aliens'. He's implying that it's a commonly used derogatory term. I have rarely, if ever, seen it used in the UK in that context.

    It's terrible to see these deaths. But deaths per million in the UK's Filipino community is pretty much in line with the general population. 176 per million vs 179 per million.
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    A long time ago in a far far far place called earth .

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    I have just sat down with my wife and told her she is high risk and that is what this pandemic suggest ,,,
    BAME then again i have always said have you had your injections when you was a kid my mum always said i have .god rest her soul ....... but things point one way its up to you if you see the light. SNOW FLAKES .........what the government wants you to see..
    Or react to that is what you are a SNOW FLAKE.Someone that does not want to know .or hides behind the truth .
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    Here is the link.

    https://www.facebook.com/mya.monta/posts/3029859097073037


    Quote Originally Posted by -Keith- View Post
    I think this will be news to anyone living in the UK. Do you have a link to these 19 Philipino deaths ? I have also never seen the mainstream media over here use the term 'Aliens'. That is however, something that is used very commonly in Thailand.

    Did this come from your usual source of news ? TGN ?
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    Sorry caller, i have been in thailand too long i think, i mean filipinos working in the UK

    Quote Originally Posted by caller View Post
    You're talking about 2 different things. The 'aliens' as you call them, would have been recruited direct to the NHS and not come to the UK as partners seeking a settlement visa.
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    Hi Tobias and Keith. It is my fault the term aliens, Thai term I guess. I mean Filipinos working in the UK. I do not know their specific circumstances obviously but the point i am making is that the fees for bringing families is getting too high but we still rely on them the same as UK citizens to take the front line risks, It would be nice to give something back

    https://www.facebook.com/mya.monta/p...29859097073037[

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Section 50 of the British Nationality Act 1981 defines 'alien' as "... a person who is neither a Commonwealth citizen nor a British protected person nor a citizen of the Republic of Ireland". It is a term which is now rarely used in the UK, the UK preferring to use the expression 'foreign national'.

    I suspect the reference to 19 is erroneous and likely a reference to COVID-19, there is certainly no current data that suggests 19 Filipino nurses have died in the UK with COVID-19. There are reports of 3 nurses and 2 porters of Filipino descent who died with COVID-19 but there is no determination they contracted the disease in the workplace.

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    As Tobias already said. Filipino's in the NHS are usually direct hires and come here on a working visa. They don't pay the NHS surcharge. Anyone who comes to the UK as a spouse / partner of a UK citizen, does have to pay it. Rightly so too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Keith- View Post
    . Anyone who comes to the UK as a spouse / partner of a UK citizen, does have to pay it. Rightly so too.
    A lady at work here is a partner of a UK citizen. She has a full time job, with an annual salary I'd say of £80,000+. She pays full taxes and NI. She has to pay the NHS surcharge on top, and in my view, there is no reason on earth that she should have to. She will have ILR later this year I think, and then it stops I think.

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    There is no NHS surcharge for ILR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    A lady at work here is a partner of a UK citizen. She has a full time job, with an annual salary I'd say of £80,000+. She pays full taxes and NI. She has to pay the NHS surcharge on top, and in my view, there is no reason on earth that she should have to. She will have ILR later this year I think, and then it stops I think.
    If she’s earning £80,000 per year she has no right to complain about contributing (what to her is a small amount) to the NHS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    If she’s earning £80,000 per year she has no right to complain about contributing (what to her is a small amount) to the NHS.
    Yet she is paying taxes and NI the same as you and I, and we don't pay it. why should she or anyone else have to pay twice ? Anyway she will have ILR soon and then citizenship after that so then it is no longer payable.

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    I don't think she is in a position to be moaning. When you look at the relativity, she will have to work one week to pay it to enable her to continue earning £80k+ a year (could she earn anywhere near this in her home country?).
    My wife, who is also paying tax & NI would have to work for nearly 2 months to get this sort of money.

    Of all the government taxes & fees we have to pay in our lives, whilst it's financially extremely painful for us, I think the NHS surcharge is one that is completely justified.
    The stark reality is that a lot of people who bring partners over on the settlement route are doing so with the intention of starting a family. That generally means the female partner not working for 2+ years and using the NHS throughout that time. Why should it not be paid towards?

    I understand that it maybe isn't fair on the couples who don't have kids and never go to hospital but I think people would find it more palatable to view it as an insurance policy for their partners. The new fees will average £54 per month. I spend more than that on my phone contract.

    Also, it's a good way of shutting people up when they start rabbiting on about foreigners using up all our NHS resources!

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    I think that it is good and fair and everybody should pay that includes anybody outside the uk even the ones who live in Europe


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    It's just a shame that it is not applied to all that come/visit here. Then we would not have such a massive bill owed by foreigners for using the NHS while here.
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    A lady at work here is a partner of a UK citizen. She has a full time job, with an annual salary I'd say of £80,000+. She pays full taxes and NI. She has to pay the NHS surcharge on top, and in my view, there is no reason on earth that she should have to. She will have ILR later this year I think, and then it stops I think.
    She is almost certainly getting private health insurance as a benefit.

    But the NHS surcharge pays for missed contributions in earlier life so not at all unfair
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    Agreed Gary. Hopefully when Brexit is done the government will implement a less convoluted and fairer immigration system.

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