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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    To anyone who thinks our Government has done a good job please take a look at the situation in South Korea or New Zealand or any of the other countries that have followed WHO advice and compare it to the mess we are in. Inadequate testing from the start, no tracking, inadequate and late social isolation measures, and a failure to provide essential medical and PPE equipment plus missing numerous opportunities to put some of these issues right. eg the offer of 500,000 tests a week refused. The offer of PPE from the EU refused etc etc.
    I've got to admit the government seems to have blundered through this.
    They have not been clear on the lockdown, infact it has not really been a lockdown...more like a few limitations.
    The PPE has been atrocious with the lack of it and especially after 2016 practice run, then to downgrade the virus in late march was disgraceful.
    Aye heads should roll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukdave View Post
    I've got to admit the government seems to have blundered through this.
    They have not been clear on the lockdown, infact it has not really been a lockdown...more like a few limitations...
    I don't know how much clearer they can be: Stay home. Protect the NHS, Save lives. That's pretty clear in my book.

    And then they clarify:

    Stay at home

    - Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    - Wash your hands as soon as you get home

    - Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

    How much clearer can this be?

    Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom & Nok View Post
    ... That Oxford trial involves around 1100 adults of whom half will receive the experimental vaccine which is based on a non-replicating viral vector, i.e. a chunk of COVID-19 genetic material (RNA) has been inserted into a different virus (chimpanzee adenovirus) which can't reproduce in humans. The idea is that the human body will develop an immune response to the COVID-19 spike protein which will stop the virus entering human cells...
    'The University of Oxford has today announced an agreement with the UK-based global biopharmaceutical company AstraZeneca for the further development, large-scale manufacture and potential distribution of the COVID-19 vaccine candidate currently being trialled by the University.'

    Source: Landmark partnership announced for development of COVID-19 vaccine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I don't know how much clearer they can be: Stay home. Protect the NHS, Save lives. That's pretty clear in my book.

    And then they clarify:

    Stay at home

    - Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    - Wash your hands as soon as you get home

    - Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

    How much clearer can this be?

    Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do
    All the advice is ok apart from wearing a mouth cover when going to shops.
    The enforcement of the lockdown has been very cloudy though when in the middle of it we are told only essential shopping
    B&Q have opened back up with the staff scared stiff to go back to work.
    It's not all about dishing advice out is it...its about dealing with it and the government have not lead very well to say the least . IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukdave View Post
    ... It's not all about dishing advice out is it...its about dealing with it and the government have not lead very well to say the least . IMHO
    So how do you think the Government can be clearer or do better with the lockdown?
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    Tobias here
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-kits-a-week

    and here
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/richholmes/...onavirus-tests

    For two examples of where the government have failed us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    How much clearer can this be?
    Around 170mm clearer if I recall correctly


    Marshall, is this the episode you were referring to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...failed-the-nhs
    even if it isn't it looks like its worth a watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by ukdave View Post
    B&Q have opened back up with the staff scared stiff to go back to work.
    It's not all about dishing advice out is it...its about dealing with it and the government have not lead very well to say the least . IMHO
    Yet, we have those who are self isolating want everything including the kitchen sink delivered to their door.
    I am still operating and have haulage companies and couriers coming into my yard daily, either collecting or delivering. You want to see what is on these trucks, garden furniture, barbecue's, kids outdoor play equipment, sauna's swimming pools etc etc. All these products and many many more have seen a spike in sales, putting pressure on those who have to pack and deliver it.

    I can tell you now I have lost count how many people who have phoned me or emailed asking when I will have any more playpit or builders sand as my website is showing out of stock. All we hear is how hard it is being in lockdown with kids etc etc. We understand but the general public are having us all jumping through hoops for home delivery.

    If nobody ventured out to the likes of B&Q etc etc they wouldn't be opening due to lack of foot traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walshie View Post
    Around 170mm clearer if I recall correctly


    Marshall, is this the episode you were referring to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...failed-the-nhs
    even if it isn't it looks like its worth a watch

    That looks like it.




    Originally Posted by Tobias

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    How much clearer can this be?

    Very clear to most but some walk past missing by inches sometimes, very frustrating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    ... For two examples of where the government have failed us
    Would you mind providing a synopsis of the points you are raising from those two items?
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    I saw an example of the Government trying to chase around and enforce lock down earlier today, not just a one off either...



    Some people just don't want to abide by the rules and then the Government will no doubt be slated and blamed even further when things have to be tightened even further due to the few affecting the many.
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    Panorama and such like programmes years ago used to be unbiased but unfortunately this is no longer the case. I think it was channel 4 who did the jackson documentary and only interviewed people who implicate jackson. There seems to be no redress now except maybe the Cliff Richard case where the BBC ganged up with the police an then it only cost them money. I am not saying there are not truths here but while sensationalism rules over the truth we will continue to have distorted reporting

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall View Post
    Did you watch the Panorama programme about alleged PPE shortages in UK hospitals? Do you agree with their assessment? According to this news article it was motivated more for political ends.




    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...links-PPE.html
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    It was a strange game to ignore all of the warnings and clear dangers of the virus. I think the big change in attitude may have come when the 200 scientists wrote to the government warning them about potential deaths. I don't just hold the government to account though, I think everybody should remember that every MP is supposed to look after their constituents and raise serious issues in Parliament. The growth of the virus was very clear but it did not become a major discussion in parliament so none of them are off the hook. Brexit was number one. The government obviously make policy so they are top of the list and have to clear up the mess but i maybe wrong but most MP's would rather stay under cover while this is going on

    Quote Originally Posted by ukdave View Post
    I've got to admit the government seems to have blundered through this.
    They have not been clear on the lockdown, infact it has not really been a lockdown...more like a few limitations.
    The PPE has been atrocious with the lack of it and especially after 2016 practice run, then to downgrade the virus in late march was disgraceful.
    Aye heads should roll.
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    They should tell people to wear a mask in shops etc. This would be a very good idea i think although i know we have problems getting them i believe

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    So how do you think the Government can be clearer or do better with the lockdown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
    I saw an example of the Government trying to chase around and enforce lock down earlier today, not just a one off either...



    Some people just don't want to abide by the rules and then the Government will no doubt be slated and blamed even further when things have to be tightened even further due to the few affecting the many.
    Some people just don't care.

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    I can not understand how our captain in command did not understand this .



    I don't know how much clearer they can be: Stay home. Protect the NHS, Save lives. That's pretty clear in my book.

    And then they clarify:

    Stay at home

    - Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    - Wash your hands as soon as you get home (and sing happy birthday twice ..)

    - Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

    How much clearer can this be?
    care to explain MR Johonson ?

    And then they could be implementing wearing of face mask hang on a min i have been going to work for the last 6 weeks with out one ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samsung View Post
    ... And then they could be implementing wearing of face mask hang on a min i have been going to work for the last 6 weeks with out one ..
    The face mask would be to protect others from the wearer, not the other way round. The government are considering the use of face masks, largely to provide confidence to the public rather than for any protection from contamination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    The face mask would be to protect others from the wearer, not the other way round. The government are considering the use of face masks, largely to provide confidence to the public rather than for any protection from contamination.
    But that then does not provide me any confidence in the government has for the last six weeks i have followed there instructions and not bothered with one .Just a point i do not like them only had one on for 4 hours in a Thai hospital and i could not keep to the rules shouted at by a nurse .

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    Same Samsung. Masks are terribly uncomfortable and I end up adjusting constantly which means touching my face. Not to mention they constantly steam my glasses up!!

    has anyone else watched Coronavirus explained on Netflix? I recommend giving it a watch. You might already know most of the information but it was well presented.

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    I think we have to accept that Thailand is not affected as bad as Europe, why?

    I think one thing is that heat and direct sunshine has done a great job of controlling the virus regardless of what the WHO says. Also with the sunshine there is a higher rate of vitamin D in the body.

    In Thailand almost all people wear masks in public that reduces the chance of transference again regardless of what the WHO says.

    I don't believe the government here have done a better job than the UK's maybe they have been lucky.

    I do believe that the WHO have been very poor, first very slow to look at the virus in China. If they weren't allowed to do so they should have recommended closing all borders to Chinese people. They should also have done this in January after they investigated, instead of recommending they stay open. They should have recommended wearing of masks in all public places. You are not always showing symptoms so cannot decide when to wear a mask. Also the two metre rule of distancing is ineffective as everyone knows when coughing or sneezing the distance the virus can travel is much further.

    I know masks are uncomfortable but i believe if they had been worn (in public) in the UK the lockdown would have finished and deaths would have been far less.

    I can fully understand why Trump is intending to stop funding of the WHO.

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    I find mixed things about the WHO. They did warn everybody about the virus very seriously as you can see in the article below but they did not suggest it could become a pandemic. This BBC article early February says The WHO has declared a global health emergency over the outbreak but said it did not yet constitute a "pandemic", or the worldwide spread of a new disease. The WHO goes on to say that it needed to be suppressed in China but it was already on its way then of course

    I really do not understand why people think that Thailand has been lucky. I agree that the weather has helped a lot but also action has as well. Has the UK just been unlucky ?? We are still not wearing masks or taking temperatures because of scientific skepticism. The UK will adopt all of the Asian practices during the next month including checking at airports, all actions are late but at least it is beginning to happen and the Government are doing their best I believe. When it eventually gets sorted I hope we will be better prepared for the next one

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51368873

    Quote Originally Posted by DAS View Post
    I think we have to accept that Thailand is not affected as bad as Europe, why?

    I think one thing is that heat and direct sunshine has done a great job of controlling the virus regardless of what the WHO says. Also with the sunshine there is a higher rate of vitamin D in the body.

    In Thailand almost all people wear masks in public that reduces the chance of transference again regardless of what the WHO says.

    I don't believe the government here have done a better job than the UK's maybe they have been lucky.

    I do believe that the WHO have been very poor, first very slow to look at the virus in China. If they weren't allowed to do so they should have recommended closing all borders to Chinese people. They should also have done this in January after they investigated, instead of recommending they stay open. They should have recommended wearing of masks in all public places. You are not always showing symptoms so cannot decide when to wear a mask. Also the two metre rule of distancing is ineffective as everyone knows when coughing or sneezing the distance the virus can travel is much further.

    I know masks are uncomfortable but i believe if they had been worn (in public) in the UK the lockdown would have finished and deaths would have been far less.

    I can fully understand why Trump is intending to stop funding of the WHO.
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    I can not understand how our captain in command did not understand this .



    I don't know how much clearer they can be: Stay home. Protect the NHS, Save lives. That's pretty clear in my book.

    And then they clarify:

    Stay at home

    - Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (but only if you cannot work from home)

    - If you go out, stay 2 metres (6ft) away from other people at all times

    - Wash your hands as soon as you get home (and sing happy birthday twice ..)

    - Do not meet others, even friends or family. You can spread the virus even if you don’t have symptoms.

    How much clearer can this be?
    care to explain MR Johonson ?

    And then they could be implementing wearing of face mask hang on a min i have been going to work for the last 6 weeks with out one ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    I find mixed things about the WHO. They did warn everybody about the virus very seriously as you can see in the article below but they did not suggest it could become a pandemic. This BBC article early February says The WHO has declared a global health emergency over the outbreak but said it did not yet constitute a "pandemic", or the worldwide spread of a new disease. The WHO goes on to say that it needed to be suppressed in China but it was already on its way then of course

    I really do not understand why people think that Thailand has been lucky. I agree that the weather has helped a lot but also action has as well. Has the UK just been unlucky ?? We are still not wearing masks or taking temperatures because of scientific skepticism. The UK will adopt all of the Asian practices during the next month including checking at airports, all actions are late but at least it is beginning to happen and the Government are doing their best I believe. When it eventually gets sorted I hope we will be better prepared for the next one

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51368873



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    Wear a mask


    Why has Thailand been lucky Nick? There are a few good reasons posted on here but I'll name the major one in my opinion. Allowing Bangkok to spill out all over of Thailand via public transport when the spike was identified. That was a month or so back and now today, the Govt. announced "baby-steps" in getting back to normal which includes allowing another wave of people to travel all around the country without measures in place to monitor their whereabouts. I've said it countless times, the Govt. will come out licking themselves like chocolate after this all clears up yet it has been public common sense that has helped and not the idiots in charge.

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