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    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistic...ital-activity/

    Interesting statistics on the NHS website...

    (Apologies for the observant amongst you that have heard me say that I don't watch BBC, ITV, SKY, Channel 4 news outlets etc. and its true I don't, but unfortunately it is nay on impossible to escape the constant bombardment, pounding, in your face Covid narrative seeping into view.... )

    So they are thinking of placing Nightingale hospital on standby......looking at the above link...you seriously have to ask why..

    Total beds occupied in England
    113,575......of those beds 2069 are occupied by Covid patients...that's 1.8%

    I believe there is about 140,000 beds in total...

    yes that's right.....1.8%, not a typo.....1.8%!!!


    On the 30th September (on the link also), 59 people with Covid were admitted to hospital in England....

    Current population of England is around 53.5 million people......that's 0.0001 % of the English population admitted to hospital!! that's right 0.0001%


    Yet for the past 6 months you'd think the apocalypse was upon us.....

    Gee Whiz, I'd seriously love to know what the agenda is.....

    Oh, one more thing....over here in the Netherlands, practically to the day (Oct 13th), we are adopting the same stance as the UK.....isn't that bizarre? all these Countries, have been implementing their own restrictions and after 6/7 months they are all experiencing similar spikes to the exact day!! and are now ramping up the lockdown rules exactly the same week...…you cannot make this up.


    Over to the truthers.....come at me!!

    PS. Stay safe, wash your hands, wear your masks outside if within 100 ft of another human being and stay out of Wales
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    As for the Covid-19 jab, mmmmmh not sure about that, especially as some that have had it have no come down with a mystery illness, so I think the jury is out on that one for a while.
    Should have it tried out on the entire House of Lords I mean the vast majority are aged in the very vulnerable grouping, right? Surely they would jump at the chance to give it a try.
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    Well I think the answer is clear. Lockdowns and behaviours have helped keep this virus down although it begins now to implode. If unleased you will fill all the hospital beds in the Uk very quickly and even if you use up the nightingale and other cities back up treatment centres you won't have the resources to treat people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Baz M View Post
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistic...ital-activity/

    Interesting statistics on the NHS website...

    (Apologies for the observant amongst you that have heard me say that I don't watch BBC, ITV, SKY, Channel 4 news outlets etc. and its true I don't, but unfortunately it is nay on impossible to escape the constant bombardment, pounding, in your face Covid narrative seeping into view.... )

    So they are thinking of placing Nightingale hospital on standby......looking at the above link...you seriously have to ask why..

    Total beds occupied in England
    113,575......of those beds 2069 are occupied by Covid patients...that's 1.8%

    I believe there is about 140,000 beds in total...

    yes that's right.....1.8%, not a typo.....1.8%!!!


    On the 30th September (on the link also), 59 people with Covid were admitted to hospital in England....

    Current population of England is around 53.5 million people......that's 0.0001 % of the English population admitted to hospital!! that's right 0.0001%


    Yet for the past 6 months you'd think the apocalypse was upon us.....

    Gee Whiz, I'd seriously love to know what the agenda is.....

    Oh, one more thing....over here in the Netherlands, practically to the day (Oct 13th), we are adopting the same stance as the UK.....isn't that bizarre? all these Countries, have been implementing their own restrictions and after 6/7 months they are all experiencing similar spikes to the exact day!! and are now ramping up the lockdown rules exactly the same week...…you cannot make this up.


    Over to the truthers.....come at me!!

    PS. Stay safe, wash your hands, wear your masks outside if within 100 ft of another human being and stay out of Wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by sisaket View Post
    Should have it tried out on the entire House of Lords I mean the vast majority are aged in the very vulnerable grouping, right? Surely they would jump at the chance to give it a try.
    On a more serious note re - Gary concerns about testing '' jabs ''
    This from the Bangkok Post: COVID-19 vaccine trails .
    https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2001867/second-covid-19-trial-paused-within-24-hours-over-safety- concerns
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    It's pretty darn obvious that the increase began with schools, colleges and universities. Close them all until this thing is done with. Do as much remote learning as possible but for gods sake close them all, before the economy implodes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    ... As for the Covid-19 jab, mmmmmh not sure about that, especially as some that have had it have no come down with a mystery illness, ...
    Do you have a source for this claim? Which particular vaccines are said to have caused these illnesses?
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    Total beds occupied in England
    113,575......of those beds 2069 are occupied by Covid patients...that's 1.8%
    Wow, I bet they're the nice ones too and not the ones in ICU.

    I had someone today saying herd immunity was the way to go as it only killed 1% of people infected, then when pointed out that that would be 600,000 deaths in a population of 60,000,000 he wouldn't accept the number would be so high, or even that at a later stage it would still be ongoing if percentage rate didn't drop to 0, it's not just at that point in time.

    If there's only 1.8% (2,069) of beds used for Covid-19 patients as at today and the rate doubles every day how long before all the beds are full, or worse still how many will be needed in 15 days time? Of course that will never happen though will it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
    Of course that will never happen though will it...
    No Ian, it wont and they never were full back in the peak in March / April

    Ok, and the explanation for France, Netherlands, UK (and others) all radically changing the rhetoric on Lockdowns this week, to within 2 days of each other....what's the thinking on that?

    Surely 1% of you must be questioning what's going on and not falling completely for what is playing out in front of you on the media?

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    Ok, and the explanation for France, Netherlands, UK (and others) all radically changing the rhetoric on Lockdowns this week, to within 2 days of each other....what's the thinking on that?
    They've got the same levels of morons there too that are not treating Covid-19 seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Do you have a source for this claim? Which particular vaccines are said to have caused these illnesses?
    Was something that came up on my Facebook feed Mr T. I shall look but don't hold your breath.
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    This isn't a knock at anybody just interested to hear what the alternative theory is to locking down or being worried about hospital beds and death counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    Was something that came up on my Facebook feed Mr T. I shall look but don't hold your breath.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Do you have a source for this claim? Which particular vaccines are said to have caused these illnesses?

    I read a report in the Spectator magazine daily Covid-19 newsletter that a vaccine trial by Johnson and Johnson had been stopped after one person developed an unexplained illness. And an antibody treatment trial by Eli Lilly has also been stopped for safety reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    This isn't a knock at anybody just interested to hear what the alternative theory is to locking down or being worried about hospital beds and death counts.
    I don't know the answer to that now. Yet looking at case/death numbers of other countries, it does look like those who closed their borders to international visitors seem to have faired far better.

    When the UK went into to lockdown people were heading to the countryside in their droves, we were not allowed to open to the public, yet everyday we had people entering our property wanting compost and veg plants. Then when we were allowed to open to the public, we were rammed day after day with customers.

    This was totally the opposite to what we experienced in 2001. We were not told to close our business, there was no social distancing in place, one way system or disinfection station before you entered our garden centre. Yet our sales fell off a cliff, people stayed away in there droves, which resulted in us being investigated.

    Disinfection mats on the road, images of burning cattle and disinfecting of farms and vehicles gave the impression Cumbria was closed for business. Yet when we went into lockdown, you would of thought Cumbria was open for business. The foot and mouth outbreak seemed to scare the crap out of people coming to Cumbria more than the corona virus has.

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    Well I am changing my tune a bit because unless there is a vaccine some herd immunity or a change in the virus itself is the only way it ends. The virus has gone up a lot in Wales but I note that the Welsh Government have stated that one days big increase was because of a big test at Cardiff University. There are 33,000 student in Cardiff University and 20,000 in Swansea and I do wonder how many of the numbers quoted are from Universities all over the UK. If you just said that 0.5% of Cardiff and Swansea University students got the virus you would be talking about 250 people then you multiply that over the UK the figures becomes very large indeed. . Obviously vague stuff but I think there is truth in this and education as a whole with teenagers walking round schools with no masks and taking the virus home. We don't seem to get a full breakdown on these things but it would be useful. Obviously poor drinking and partying behaviour has a big input as well I think. Either way it suggests that the strongest are largely getting the virus and we are reacting to this for fear of passing it to the vulnerable because of the history of the first wave. I do wonder though if we do indeed need to change our tack a bit. Instead of going down this road of isolating the vulnerable perhaps there is a middle road whereby such people can get out and about in safe places with stronger controls for safety, call it COVID frees zones. I think one supermarket was having a set time for the elderly to visit. But you could go one further and restrict access to a variety of areas just to the more vulnerable with subsidies for participating organisations. Whether it be a shop or a restaurant or a bar staff would have to be tested every morning and every evening everything disinfected and logged off as COVID free. That way maybe a lot of society could carry and the government would be getting their taxes. There would most certainly have to be much stricter control over the party animals and general adherence to distancing and masks and washing hands etc. I am not talking herd immunity but in some ways it would go that way a bit. The real danger would be to the younger groups who think they are immune but still get ill I guess. Nothing can be perfect but I look at the lockdowns that are taking place again and clearly many people are becoming sick and bored of it so I guess I am just thinking about compromise. It would be a big effort to do something like this I guess and unfortunately Boris is a bit busy to talk to me these days. Only a few thoughts ??
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    This isn't a knock at anybody just interested to hear what the alternative theory is to locking down or being worried about hospital beds and death counts.

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    NO one cares about wales
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    I was thinking about the uK. Wales was just the example
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    NO one cares about wales
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    But obviously i care about wales

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash View Post
    NO one cares about wales
    If ever there was a need for the 4 regions of the UK to pull together it's now. But what do the devolved Govt's do, they try to be different all of the time. Firebreak instead of a circuit break was the last straw to me. If they want to be so different then become your own independent countries and sink or swim without Englands help.
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    Sadly the Virus does not care about Wales or England or even Scotland it simply seeks new hosts the borders mean nothing. Threatening to close the borders is infantile and not likely to be effective ? How would the welsh cope if they were banned from England and given that a large proportion living in Wales are no more welsh than I am the logistics of breaking the Union would be insurmountable.

    North Wales seems more like Liverpool judging by the local accents
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    The desire for wales to break away from england is not big in th population, it is the zealots that try to promote it. Scotland on the other hand have a stronger mandate. Mark Drakeford Welsh first minister has had some valid points regarding national government policies but unfortunately he has spent quite a bit of time complaining about Boris which IMO is just point scoring. He is a labour / corbyn man and hates the conservative government just like Andy Burnham I suspect who is obstructing far more than Wales. Speaking as a man who lived in England for 20 years in a previous life I see myself both as Welsh and British and believe we should all be pulling together. Unfortunately it seems petty well impossible to get many individuals to work together, not just devolved governments
    Quote Originally Posted by -Keith- View Post
    If ever there was a need for the 4 regions of the UK to pull together it's now. But what do the devolved Govt's do, they try to be different all of the time. Firebreak instead of a circuit break was the last straw to me. If they want to be so different then become your own independent countries and sink or swim without Englands help.

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    From the comments above i see .
    What is the end game ?
    this is the only answer i need to know Mr boris .
    Vaccine or new way off life ?
    then let the people judge and let me tell you the answer FREEDOM .
    now if i need a muzzel or be branded a covidiot then do so but that makes you worse than me .
    END GAME ?

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