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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    Plague symptoms depend on how the patient was exposed to the plague bacteria. Plague can take different clinical forms, but the most common are bubonic, pneumonic, and septicemic.

    https://www.cdc.gov/plague/symptoms/index.html

    Look at the similarity of pneumonic plague to covid
    The plague is caused by a vector-borne bacterium (Yersinia pestis). The signs and symptoms of plague are not clinically similar to those of COVID-19, which is caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. The lungs are "Ground Zero" for this virus.

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    they say with pneumonic plague Patients develop fever, headache, weakness, and a rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough. This is what I meant.

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    The publication BMJ "Best Practice" gives many significant differences between the clinical presentations of pneumonic plague and of COVID-19. For example, pneumonic plague is often associated with a number of key symptoms including blood in the sputum, long-lasting diarrhoea (>2-3 weeks), and tender swollen lymph nodes. These are not associated with COVID-19.

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    At present

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    Persistent hiccups could be a new symptom of coronavirus, doctors warn.

    Doctors in Chicago say hiccups should not be dismissed as a symptom after a man who tested positive for the deadly disease had hiccups for four days

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...mptom-22488892

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    Persistent hiccups could be a new symptom of coronavirus, doctors warn.

    Doctors in Chicago say hiccups should not be dismissed as a symptom after a man who tested positive for the deadly disease had hiccups for four days

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...mptom-22488892
    The "report" in the Daily Mirror is acknowledged as having been lifted from the Sun. The Daily Mirror and Sun articles refer to a paper published in the American Journal of Emergency Medicine.

    I have read the American Journal of Emergency Medicine original paper which was published on 1st July 2020. Computer tomography showed that the patient had ground-glass opacities in his lungs which are characteristic of COVID-19. He also tested positive for COVID-19. He was given hydroxychloroquine, which has since been demonstrated to be clinically ineffective in respect of COVID-19, and he was discharged home after three days. Yes, the COVID-19 patient had hiccups but the CT scan and lab test confirmed that he had COVID-19. One swallow does not a summer make!

    The American Journal of Emergency Medicine recently published a case study of priapism in a patient with COVID-19.

    Given their interest in hiccups, the Sun and Daily Mirror clearly missed a juicy story that priapism (penile erection) could be a new symptom of COVID-19 (in males, of course) - who needs Viagra?

    Perhaps the Sun and the Daily Mirror aren't such reliable sources to use for published medical studies?

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    This shows how we cannot be complacent about this virus,

    Coronavirus has broken out again in New Zealand after 102 days with no cases in the community.

    New Zealand was hailed as a world success in the fight of the virus, first I think to come out of lock down, but now heading back into it.
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a4521691.html

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    Can someone explain how these countries, such as NZ, are increasing in infection numbers again? Is it a case of somebody returning with the virus and going unchecked for various reasons? If a country had no cases for 100 days and then suddenly a spike it suggests the virus can enter undetected. I thought that if it had no carriers to live within it would die off but these stories suggest otherwise.

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    Apparently a 50 year + old man got tested and was positive and then two of his family, no overseas travel involved. F1 driver Perez flies home in a protective bubble set up to see ill mother, comes back positive. 8 footballers in Scotland go to a pub and 2 test positive later. All of Thailand run around in huge groups no positive. You got to wonder

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    All of Thailand run around in huge groups no positive. You got to wonder
    No testing.

    Thailands whole covid policy, after the initial flurry of cases, has been to lock down and out and control borders. And to track and trace. They could have used the recent time they had to do build some extra facilities just in case, but as far as I am aware, they haven't and by their own admission Thai medics have said they haven't the resources or facilities to deal with a mass outbreak. So the current policy of control is all they have. I was therefore surprised to read the public can attend sports events. I wouldn't want to attend any right now.
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    https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-a9666386.html
    Coronavirus: New Zealand considers imported freight as possible source of new outbreak as care homes go into lockdown

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    Found this.

    Foreigners flying into Thailand during the virus pandemic: the common myths
    By Barry Kenyon
    August 13, 2020

    With the general ban on foreign tourism to Thailand, the internet is full of fake news and conspiracy theories sometimes designed to milk the cash of the unwary. Here are some circulating in UK, mainland Europe and US.


    If you can buy an airticket you can fly into Thailand. Not so. The possession of an airticket does not guarantee you can even board a plane, yet alone actually get past immigration here. Each and every foreigner wanting to come must seek the approval of their local Thai embassy which has the power to issue an all-important certificate of entry without which you are doomed. If you visit the website of your local Thai diplomatic post you will see the documentary hill to be climbed. There are no scheduled flights into Bangkok, but only repatriation journeys for Thai citizens and approved foreigners.

    You can fly to a third country and cross into Thailand by a land border. Enterprising suggestion, but no way. Even assuming you can fly to a country not too far from Thailand, all border crossings into the country are closed except to goods traffic and – at some posts – documented labourers from Laos, Cambodia and Mynamar. Unless you can prove you have permission to mix the concrete at the construction of a Thai condo or are legally casting the nets on a Thai fishing boat, forget that one. Swimming across a river in the middle of the night also not recommended, particularly if carrying a suitcase.

    I own a condominium in Pattaya and usually live there. Therefore, I am a resident.
    In your eyes for sure, but not in Thai law. Ownership of property such as a condominium – and don’t forget foreigners don’t own land here – does not in itself bestow residency rights. In the Thai language “residency” in effect means “permanent residency” as an expression. Permanent residency is a long process in Thailand and requires you to have a recent history of working legally and successfully, to be able to communicate in Thai and likely to have proved your worth to the Thai economy or to Thai culture. You can always tell a permanent resident – his or her passport does not have an immigration stamp indicating an end date by which the holder must leave the country or seek an extension.

    I’m an Elite card holder so I have precedence over the others.
    It is true that the Thai government did include this category of foreigner to be able to apply to their local Thai embassy to return or to visit. Essentially, it is a long-term visa of between 5 and 20 years in exchange for a non-returnable cash fee of between 500,000 baht and in excess of one million. However, the wheels of Thai bureaucracy turn slowly and, to date, Thai embassies don’t seem to have caught up. The website of the Thai embassy in London, to date, does not list Elite card holders as eligible for the certificate of entry. So everyone is waiting for clarification on this one.

    To return, you need comprehensive medical insurance worth at least US$100,000 which is impossible to obtain in Thailand.
    Wrong on this one too. There are several Thai insurance companies offering insurance which fits the entry requirements. These can be applied for online. The fees are on a sliding scale according to age. However, if you are over 75 years, you may indeed find it impossible to be covered. One or two US-based insurance companies offer medical benefits up to age 120 (with free annual premiums once you are a centenarian) but whether such a policy would satisfy the officials at a Thai embassy is up to them. Not likely. What is true is that advanced age foreigners are currently banned from entry to Thailand whatever their status or reasons. That’s tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmbo60 View Post
    https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-a9666386.html
    Coronavirus: New Zealand considers imported freight as possible source of new outbreak as care homes go into lockdown

    China also now. Saying food from South America has brought in new infections.

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    Full circle for China, what goes round comes round.

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    Or is it in the atmosphere ? ,,,,,,,,a lot of evidence seems to point the way that.
    It acts more like a altitude sickness that is what caught New York and Italy out geared up for the wrong type of illness so i have read .
    Seems to be going around the world again starting in Aussie,New Zealand,South Korea ,Vietnam.China .second tide soon In Europe .
    Or is it project fear ?
    Or is it a diversion from pizza gate
    Or do they want to track everyone ?
    Lots of things it could be .
    Does capitalism work do you need war for it to work .
    But one thing i do know is i dont know any one who has been affected by this and neither does my friends or family .
    Nightingale redundant even when i went to the local hospital it was dead no one there i could have parked BA fleet in the car park it was that empty .
    DO you believe what sky and the BBC pedal ????????????????????
    Even bo jo the clown sing happy birthday OK ............
    All countries seem to have there issues at the moment and might be using this to exploit there own reasons .
    But i do know that death is part of life and yes it is not nice if taken early and i wish it upon no one but it is called THE CIRCLE OF LIFE .
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    Looks like eventually we are going to have a mixture of some form of immunity, a vaccine that probably works 50% on a good day like the flu virus, improved hospital treatments for those that get really ill and the new normal for a couple years. And the end of shaking hands i guess.

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    The BBC must be doomed now, they have gone right off the rails even arguing with customer complaints and hitting the pensioners. Just pulling the cash in while they can. Their reporting is getting to the lowest level I have seen with alarmist headlines every day and dominating the first lines of the internet because of their ability to pay large sums for google analytics. The writing is on the wall and all morals are gone. I feel sorry for the honest people their wrapped up in it. Sorry off topic but I used to work in TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnet View Post
    China also now. Saying food from South America has brought in new infections.
    Really! China are trying to get the South American's involved. What a load of nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by te2008 View Post
    Really! China are trying to get the South American's involved. What a load of nonsense.
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    Not nonsense, the story is not about South America or China, it is about something far more concerning than that. The concern is that this coronavirus might actually remain viable for a considerable period when transferred by humans on to frozen items. That is a very worrying prospect if this turns out to be the case.
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    Footy with fans in Thailand from next month, as the season will pick up from pre lockdown / curfew.
    I went by PAT Stadium (Port FC) the other day and the standing terrace is now all seated.
    Link from the Bangkok Post:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Not nonsense, the story is not about South America or China, it is about something far more concerning than that. The concern is that this coronavirus might actually remain viable for a considerable period when transferred by humans on to frozen items. That is a very worrying prospect if this turns out to be the case.
    It's known the virus likes it cold, but the ability to become active again once frozen is a true threat.

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