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    RSS Feed Thailand protests: Plaque calling for royal reform vanishes

    The bold symbol of opposition to the monarchy was gone a day after it was installed.

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    I agree, but I am banned from talking with other Thais as well ! Fear of repercussions I guess.
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    Interesting nick, my wife has completely banned me from talking about any kind of Thai politics with other Thais. This ban is especially important when keeping quiet about her own opinions. Surely if discussion was more open each side might understand each other better?!

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    I cant imagine any plaques not attached to private property, is the area it was placed private?, being allowed to stay put in any country.
    What does seem to be permited at least around here is posters for lost cats so maybe they could put up lots of lost plaque posters with a large pic of said plaque.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    I agree, but I am banned from talking with other Thais as well ! Fear of repercussions I guess.
    Yes I wouldn't talk about it anyway, too controversial even in this country ! In greater London if you're a tory voter and a Brexit voter you are scum..

    Peaceful protest is good and healthy as long as it stays that way, and as long as the protesters respect democracy in that they have their say in the ballot box and accept the result if it isn't what they want. That does seem to be an issue with many Thais, they don't understand that concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray8472 View Post
    and as long as the protesters respect democracy in that they have their say in the ballot box and accept the result if it isn't what they want. That does seem to be an issue with many Thais, they don't understand that concept.
    And the concept of free and fair elections seem to escape the people in power, why would anyone accept the results held under such system.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019...neral_election

    And dont get me started on our own first past the post system..

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    I think it it you Ray that does not understand. Thais do not have democracy. They may occasionally have a vote, but if they vote for the "wrong" people the result is cancelled and the military take over. Which is the current situation. Any one who complains is liable to end up in prison or worse still “disappears”.
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    Yes the last election was very confusing. Somebody else seemed to win and the result was delayed and nothing seemed to happen. Very strange stuff...
    Quote Originally Posted by manfarang View Post
    I think it it you Ray that does not understand. Thais do not have democracy. They may occasionally have a vote, but if they vote for the "wrong" people the result is cancelled and the military take over. Which is the current situation. Any one who complains is liable to end up in prison or worse still “disappears”.

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    I remember the news showing the Thai king isolating himself in an alpine hotel with a harem of 20 women amid a pandemic. funny)

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickj1000 View Post
    Yes the last election was very confusing. Somebody else seemed to win and the result was delayed and nothing seemed to happen. Very strange stuff...
    Wasn't really strange at all. The constitution was changed, part of which created a new a senate hand picked by the junta, including Prayets and Prawits brothers, who effectively have the power to decide who is PM. This came about via a sham referendum, where any opposition to the juntas plans was in effect, not allowed - I believe it was actually made illegal to campaign against them, but stand to be corrected on that. Despite which, at the subsequent election, the junta and the newly formed political party (which Prawit now heads), that was meant to be their conduit to power, still needed the help of turncoat so-called democrats and others to become the winning party.

    It was a sham election designed to democratise Thailands Government. What Prayet and other want is capitalism under a one party state (preferably a military one), such as they have in China, Laos and what Hun Sen is seeking to achieve by despotic means in Cambodia. Which is why the EU have cut funding to Cambodia, which Hun Sen is no longer too fussed about, as he can turn to China instead, although that might cause a rift with Vietnam. It's all getting a bit messy really!
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    I sometimes wonder if its a Thai “face” thing. They don't like to admit that they have no control over who runs their country. Instead they seem to prefer putting their energy in to exalting the Thai monarchy. Or perhaps they think that the military does a better job than the average corrupt elected government would do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manfarang View Post
    I sometimes wonder if its a Thai “face” thing. They don't like to admit that they have no control over who runs their country. Instead they seem to prefer putting their energy in to exalting the Thai monarchy. Or perhaps they think that the military does a better job than the average corrupt elected government would do?
    Democracy clearly doesn't work in Thailand, as evidenced by the number of military coups in the past. So yes, it may be that a military junta is the best thing for Thailand unless the population as a whole gets what democracy is all about. Of course we in the UK can't lecture them, just look at all the Remainers who tried so hard - and are still trying - to overcome the most democratic mandate of all, a referendum. They made a laughing stock of the UK, and paralysed the country for a long time. Shame on them.

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    Perhaps it could be said that democracy is not allowed to work in Thailand. The elite like the status qua and want the hoi polloi to stay in there place.


    I have to say though I'm not that enamoured with most western democracy's, particularly with the US – which is possibly the most financially corrupt institution on earth.
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    I agree Manfarang. It seems strange to me to argue ...
    Democracy clearly doesn't work in Thailand, as evidenced by the number of military coups in the past. So yes, it may be that a military junta is the best thing for Thailand unless the population as a whole gets what democracy is all about.
    Possibly it is the
    Military that is at fault for not permitting democracy not the people for wanting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Possibly it is the Military that is at fault for not permitting democracy not the people for wanting it?
    Yes, absolutely. They have their own vested interests to protect and move swiftly to act whenever they are threatened, often using a bogey man to blame, such as communism and Thaksin and all packaged up as protecting the state and the institution of the Royal family. The Thai army has vast economic power and senior army generals sit on many state boards, where civil servants once ruled and also on the boards of private businesses, many of which they own. Ask why Bangkok has a general as an unelected leader or even why, more perversely, a Thai general runs the Thai FA. The current junta are much more involved in many aspects of Thai life on a daily basis than ever before.

    And the overwhelming evidence is that Thais do want democracy. The problem is they won't vote for who the establishment want, which is why the the state has used everything in its power to change the majority decision, whether via coups or judicial judgements to depose prime ministers, to outlawing and banning political parties and more.

    But equally, they have probably never been more unpopular.
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    Land of a thousand generals it appears to also be known as.
    Cut and paste from Google search.

    The Thai military has more than 1,700 flag officers (generals and admirals), roughly one general for every 212 troops, a bloated number for a military of its size.

    About to get a new one too as there's a opening due to retirement.

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...ace-to-society

    Wonder how many have ever seen active service.. Answers on a postage stamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty View Post
    . Wonder how many have ever seen active service..
    I have no idea but suspect none. Other than the insurgency in the south the only action I can recall were skirmishes on the Thai:Cambodian border a few years ago.

    However the admirals have a much greater chance of seeing 'active' service - going for a ride in a submarine counts I would've thought. There must be a few a mite chocker the plan to buy a couple more's fallen through.

    Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has delayed the purchase of China-made military submarines for a year after public opposition sparked a reversal of a controversial funding decision.
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Tur...ublic-backlash

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    Germany says Thai king cannot rule from there
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    BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany’s foreign minister has said that Thailand’s King Maha Vajiralongkorn should not be conducting politics from the European country, where he spends much of his time.

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    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-th...-idUKKBN26T1P0
    Last edited by maokaang; 8th Oct 2020 at 15:19. Reason: Removed copy and pasted text from copyrighted site and replaced with link

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    Infraction points Even though Reuters and author quoted Hmmm,

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