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    Hi all.

    After just returning from our anual visit, my wife has informed me that her brother in law would like to come to the UK and open a restaurant.

    He is an experienced cook, worked 10 years in a well know top Bangkok hotel as head chef, and currently runs his own place selling local food, and makes so much money you would be surprised how much profit is to be made selling som tam.

    Anyhow, he has told the missus he has the equivelent of 100k to come with, im not familiar with running this kind of buissness myself, but am franticly trying to get a grip of it.

    My question, what way should we go with the visas, will it be easy with him having some capitol to bring with him, or is it a case of my wife taking the lease etc and getting him work permit?

    I understand that there are 100 and 1 more questions regarding the actual opening, but for now am curious about visas for himself/wife/2kids and also eventually my wifes 2 sisters.

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    Have a look here as a starting point:

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/wo.../entrepreneur/

    I haven't looked further on the new UKBA website but on the old one there was some mention of having to invest £200,000 (I think) in a UK business to qualify. There will be some requirement somewhere on there if you look deeper I'm sure.

    With £100,000, I don't think your brother-in-law has enough to qualify in his own right and I aslo read somewhere on this forum recently that Chefs are about to be taken out of the "shortage" category. If that's correct, your idea of your wife being the business owner on paper and employing her brother as Chef is unlikely to work.

    Although some of our immigrant friends from other Asian countries seem to be able to bring their families here and set up businesses without too many problems - I suspect your brother-in-law is going to struggle.

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    Thanks for the reply.

    I find it incredible it will be so hard, i had assumed it would be a doddle?????

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    Not a chance of him getting enough points to get a visa. No non-eu chefs will not be coming into the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    Thanks for the reply.

    I find it incredible it will be so hard, i had assumed it would be a doddle?????
    Ask some members here how difficult/impossible it is to get their wife's son or daughter here if they didn't come with their mother in the first place and have lived apart for a number of years.

    I agree with Keith - its not going to happen.

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    Stenroach, In addition to the information you have already been given, I am surprised that you think it would be easy. The only time I have ever heard of sisters, or in-laws of 'settled' Thais getting a visa was a family visit (6 months.) Working is not allowed on a visit visa. And most time repeat visits are requested there is normally a gap of at least 6 months between those visits, and ECOs become suspicious of often repeated visits. The only route I can see is the one via Flip's link. Your wifes status in the UK is of no help to them at all IMO.

    Hopefully others can advise you differently.

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    Hi all, i am not doubting the advice given, i had just thought that the fact he was coming with 100k would have been sufficient in some way.

    And from a few years ago i had got it in my head that a lot of farang restaurant owners had slowly got most of the wifes familly over as waitresses cooks etc,guess i am wrong on most counts then.

    So if one was to open a restaraunt, where would one get qualified Thai staff, from the local job centre?what if they are not available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post

    And from a few years ago i had got it in my head that a lot of farang restaurant owners had slowly got most of the wifes familly over as waitresses cooks etc,guess i am wrong on most counts then.
    Quite possible then but the rules have been changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    So if one was to open a restaraunt, where would one get qualified Thai staff, from the local job centre?what if they are not available?
    According the Gordon Brown only the other day enough British chefs have now been trained so that overseas chefs are no longer required

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    And from a few years ago i had got it in my head that a lot of farang restaurant owners had slowly got most of the wifes familly over as waitresses cooks etc,guess i am wrong on most counts then.

    So if one was to open a restaraunt, where would one get qualified Thai staff, from the local job centre?what if they are not available?
    Stenroach, you are right about a few years ago, but as Flip's post says, the rules they are a changing.

    As far as staffing a Thai restaurant goes, there are various Thai communication networks around the UK with many settled Thai wives looking for work. I also know of many Chinese, and Indian run Thai restaurants in the UK, some not even having Thai employees at all. Some just having one Thai chef, who teaches the non-Thais how to cook. Vacancies are normally filled quite quickly. There are also many second generation Thais in the UK now, i.e sons and daughters of earlier immigrants, all seeking employment. Social networking also fills a lot of vacancies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Keith- View Post
    Quite possible then but the rules have been changed.



    According the Gordon Brown only the other day enough British chefs have now been trained so that overseas chefs are no longer required
    I have read that, but isnt that from 2012?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddwjg View Post
    Stenroach, you are right about a few years ago, but as Flip's post says, the rules they are a changing.

    As far as staffing a Thai restaurant goes, there are various Thai communication networks around the UK with many settled Thai wives looking for work. I also know of many Chinese, and Indian run Thai restaurants in the UK, some not even having Thai employees at all. Some just having one Thai chef, who teaches the non-Thais how to cook. Vacancies are normally filled quite quickly. There are also many second generation Thais in the UK now, i.e sons and daughters of earlier immigrants, all seeking employment. Social networking also fills a lot of vacancies.

    Dave.

    I can understand the arguement re waitressing etc, but surely being able to cook authentic ethnic food requires a skill that isnt easy to just pass on in a few months?

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    Yup, its still 200k to enter on a buisness start up.

    Id forgotten what a minefield this visa lark was, now i know why indian food outlets outnumber all the others by 20/1.

    Im surprised Albanian takeaways havent started appearing yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    I can understand the arguement re waitressing etc, but surely being able to cook authentic ethnic food requires a skill that isnt easy to just pass on in a few months?
    S/R, just look at the "Thai recipe forum" on this site. Most Thai chefs have to learn how to cook for farangs in Thai restaurants in the UK. Very little 'authentic' stuff gets served. It is all toned down for the western pallate. Any Thai customers to UK Thai restaurants, where there are Thai chefs, get authentic specials, if requested from the chef. Usually no chickens feet, pig's tongues, or pork innards though.

    It is ingredients, recipes, and cooking times. These can all be written down.

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    Obviously i will have to seek proffesional advice on this, BUT, i have just been on the link provided by flip and chef is still considered as a skilled worker with a shortage in the UK, this could well change in 2 years, but as far as i can see at the moment there should not be any reason why if applying for a visa for a skilled chef, with relevent experience, a sponsors certificate, a basic english qualification, and 800 quid in his back pocket he shouldnt get it.

    Can anyone advise if i am missing something here?

    http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/si...pationlist.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    Can anyone advise if i am missing something here?
    May 6th
    I'm ONE of the 52%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary & Nok View Post
    May 6th

    Apart from that being my monthly paydate, owt else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stenroach View Post
    Apart from that being my monthly paydate, owt else?
    Its a Thursday?!

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    mr brown may have put a stop to your brother the other week with the debates.he said something abouts jobs for the uk etc,chef is one of the jobs they have enough of now.so you may have a hard time,but we wait for may 6th and things may change for the better.i hope that gordie is out of no ten as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by bristolgeoff View Post
    but we wait for may 6th and things may change for the better
    Not sure what you mean by better but as far as getting a chef here from LOS:
    Labour are not going to win so what Brown says is irrelevant.
    Cons: Tens of thousands of immigrants rather than hundreds of thousands so not a lot of joy for you there.
    Lib Dems: Can not win outright so will be forced to go with Cons, so see above.
    I'm ONE of the 52%

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    As i said, i will be seeking proff advice regarding this b4 doing anything at all, but as far as i can see, at the moment the law states that if the criteria is met then it is possible, at this present time chef is on the shortage list so i cant understand peoples negative comments of no chance, etc etc.

    I will advise how i get on.

    cheers.

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